(CO) Columbine massacre alters police training

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http://www.denverpost.com/news/col0728.htm

Columbine massacre alters police training
By Howard Pankratz
Denver Post Legal Affairs Writer

July 28, 2000 - SPOKANE, Wash. - The tragedy of the Columbine High massacre has forever changed the way police will respond to school shootings, the nation's district attorneys were told Thursday.

Instead of waiting for backup, officers are being trained to get into a school as quickly as possible.

"We can"t wait for SWAT teams to arrive," Spokane Sheriff Mark Sterk said at the National District Attorneys Association annual conference. "We are training our patrol officers to push ahead, take ground. Our first move is to get into the school as quickly as we can and take ground."

One of the chief criticisms against the officers who responded to Columbine last year was that they waited outside the school instead of rushing in to halt the shooting or save wounded victims such as teacher Dave Sanders, who died of his injuries.

Retired Army Lt. Col. David Grossman, who trains law enforcement officers, said retraining is in progress.

"Around the world we are training law enforcement personnel to do exactly what (Sterk) is talking about," he said. "You will see your law enforcement personnel be emotionally prepared, with training and equipment, to go in and deal with these situations.

"That is one of the tragic lessons that the law enforcement community has learned from Littleton," said Grossman.

The three-hour session, which came on the last day of the weeklong conference, dealt with myriad topics stemming from school shootings at Columbine; Moses Lake, Wash.; Springfield, Ore.; Jonesboro, Ark.; and Paducah, Ky.

Jamon Kent, Springfield school superintendent, said that as a result of Kip Kinkel's May 1998 rampage, school safety drills have changed.

There are now "duck-and-cover" drills and drills to find safe places and the nearest two or three exits. Each member of the SWAT team has "adopted" a school and knows everything about it, said Kent.

Two psychologists warned that the psychiatric aftermath may never go away.

The shootings shatter assumptions that the world is a safe place, said psychologist Mark Mays. "You never recover from it, but you can go on with life."

Psychologist Dennis Embry said that when school shootings occur, the county medical officer needs to declare a "medical emergency" and should be ready to dispense tranquilizers, which are "very helpful."

Embry, of Tucson's PAXIS Institute, said studies of school shooters show they suffered from serious chronic depression, social rejection and isolation. One reason teenagers are becoming more depressed is that society doesn"t give them "meaningful tasks," he said. Embry said he doesn"t believe court litigation is beneficial. "We have to consider a whole variety of aftermath issues for a community to survive this." What is needed, he said, is a "public autopsy" on how to prevent such shootings, not on who to blame.

Copyright 2000 The Associated Press.
 
Well it's good to see the police learning how to handle that, but it's sad to see that retard Grossman leading the way. That man is a fool.

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Interesting-
Our own Moderator Harry Humphries and Member Hugo Toeffel put together a *great* article in the SOF May Issue. The offered alternative training and strategy based on first hand information and after action reports of this tragedy.

Grossman's a controversial figure. As I don't know him personally, I haven't an opinion. Based on this scanty info, however, either great minds think alike, or he read Harry's article.
Rich
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>the county medical officer needs to declare a "medical emergency" and should be ready to dispense tranquilizers, which are "very helpful."[/quote]

*sigh* Does anyone else get the feeling that, as a society, we're starting to rely on chemicals maybe a bit too much?

My brother, my sister and I grew up overseas, and we saw our fair share of people getting gunned down. I don't ever recall getting tranquilized. We seem to be relatively normal.

*twitch, twitch*

LawDog
 
Well, as a teacher, it is good to see more training for law enforcement, since these incidents seem to be on the rise. But I think it would be even more valuable if they partnered with the school districts to truly make this work. In talking to a few TFL members about our district's plan for a "life-threatening" emergency (other than fire, earthquake and the like) I have been told that it is inherently flawed and potentially dangerous (made more so by the fact that the drills done at individual schools do not follow the procedure handed out by the district, therefore some teachers are doing one thing while others are doing another).

Would it not make more sense for local law enforcement to work with the district and the individual schools to design a plan that everyone understands and can implement, so teachers and students are not impeding the officers or jeopardizing their own safety? From what I hear, when my old school was in Lockdown and the SWAT team was crawling all over, it was the teachers creating the problems, not the students :rolleyes: (I picked a great week to be out of town!).

The local fire stations all know the layout of the schools and are on campus several times a year to facilitate and evaluate evacuation drills. Of course the Administrator was supposed to inform them of any potential issues, but not surprisingly he never did. I was the one who informed the firefighters that we had a Severely Handicapped class on campus, as well as a preschool, both of which would require extra help in getting children out. They had no clue, although this was information they were supposed to have, and that information helped them create a better safety plan for us. Combining that with good staff training from law enforcement could only be a good thing, IMHO. There will always be panic in these situations, but having training and confidence in the plan would increase survival.

I realize that there is a time/cost factor involved here, but what price do we put on our children's safety?

Of course, if we banned all guns, things like Columbine et al would never happen, right? :rolleyes: [/sarcasm]
 
Well I know in my area they aren't doing anything to prepare because they would have to admit it could happen. I was driving school bus here when Columbine happened.

And the teachers and admin told me the school superintendant flat out lied on TV about there plans and etc. Said they had NONE and were not even working on it.
 
As usual LawDog makes a great point. I have always wondered about the "tranquilizers and grief counseling" that always are part of these tragedies. What is wrong with accepting the reality that sometimes life is a $h!t sandwich and there is no bread?

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I hope someone trains them that you do NOT leave a school full of children in the hands of idiots with bombs and guns, like that coward in Columbine did as soon as he saw he was outgunned. Staying and engaging the felons would have saved many lives and allowed other officers time to respond. I also hope that they teach them that leaving wounded to bleed out for three hours is sentencing them to death. I cannot believe the incompetance shown at Columbine and the excuses I've heard from other LEO's about it. If you are not willing to put yourself at some risk for the public then you should not be a Cop, you should be rent-a-copping at Wally World without a gun.

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LawDog:
*sigh* Does anyone else get the feeling that, as a society, we're starting to rely on chemicals maybe a bit too much?......


....*twitch, twitch*

LawDog
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Umm yes America is WAY to "hooked" on the thinking that "a pill will fix it". So people will just take "something" instead of just dealing with what is causing them stress! Truely truely sad!



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Lawdog,
You said it, bub. Too happy, too sad, too worried, too bored... whatever happened to dealing with a problem rather than getting too zonked to care?
On the intruder drills: we did one this year. We were supposed to do several more but somehow we never got around to them. The drills got bumped usually because of standardized testing. Don't get me started on that. The admins didn't take it seriously and neither did the kids. A lot of the kids remarked that if it were the real think instead of a drill then they would ignore the plan and just run for the exits anyway.
Yearrrggghhh!
I am encouraged that the training has changed. To Ottergal and the other teacher folks: maybe we'll live to retirement yet. ;)

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Texasvet,
I agree with you that the SWAT teams should have came up with a plan and entered the school early on, but I do not blame the individual officers. The problem is our law enforcement agencies in this country are paralyzed by lawsuits. LEO commanders constantly make their decisions based on fear of lawsuits. I would guess that a large part of the discussions during this incident were probably centered around this.

We need to stop idiotic lawsuits. When they are filed they need to be thrown out. I know an officer that was engaged in a firefight with two BG seven years ago and he is still being sued (he shot and killed one and wounded the other).
 
It is about time that law enforcemrnt realizes again that their patrol officers can handle situations like Columbine until swat arrives. Patrol officers used to handle everything until swat became fashionable. After the swat teams were formed, the patrol officers were ordered to stand back and wait for swat no mater what the incident was. There are situations that swat should handle, but Columbine proves that there should be flexability in the PD's policy.
I lived in Lakewood, a city near Columbine at the time of the shooting and talked with several of the officers who were at the scene. Every one of them wanted to enter the school but were ordered not to.
Myself, I would have got the shooters or they would have got me. I could always have found another department to work for if some kiss ass Lt. afraid for his job ordered me to stand down and wait for swat!

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Here we go again;
the SWAT teams MADE entry to Columbine within minutes as an ad hoc team; you folks that criticize seem to think that every cop that showed up should have stormed the place, tactics and planning be damned.
Not that things couldn't have gone different, but arm chair quarterbacking is hardly realistic.
And Tex Vet, theres such a thing as tombstone courage. The school resource officer DID engage the perps, but he was clearly outgunned. Wearing the badge doesn't REQUIRE you to die; there IS such a thing as a tactical withdrawl to await reinforcement.
 
Talk about horns of a dilemma: on one paw, we can give every patrol officer SWAT training and the tools to put such training into use--then get lambasted by the 'paramilitary JBT' argument.

Or we can go the way we have been, not get accused of whatever Nazi term is fashionable this week-- and get hammered because we're not 'paramilitary'.

*sigh*

I wonder if the people who shriek loudest about the 'paramilitarization of law enforcement' are also the ones who demand to know why the suspects at Columbine weren't immediately engaged by SWAT teams?

Food for thought, anyway.

LawDog

[This message has been edited by LawDog (edited July 31, 2000).]
 
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