CNN Dobbs' show Border Betrayal

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Tonight (right now where I am) CNN has a show by Lou Dobbs called Border Betrayal, about the 2 border guards imprisoned for shooting an illegal alien drug dealer, who was then given immunity from prosecution by the US government, in order to testify against the border guards. I can't watch it, unfortunately, but wonder if anyone else here is watching, and what they think of how the facts were presented. I'm just thankful CNN is putting it on in prime time because people need to know about this fiasco of so-called justice.
 
Sutton

Has put another Sheriff in jail for shooting a illegal near Rock Springs TX. He will go the way of Atty Gen Gonzales I'll bet soon. He's aiding the smugglers, and that is what Lou should add to his crimes on his show. We Texans are ready for that man to go. He is a domestic terrorist in our eyes.
 
Are these guys the ones that shot the doper in the rear, picked up their brass, and went about their business like nothing had happened?

If you don't do the paperwork and explain your actions, you are not a cop. You become a vigilante and/or a criminal dumbass if you go around shooting people in the desert.
 
Drug cartels

Obviously own the leaders of both countries. This big business, and good law abiding citizens and LEO's better not get in their way. Unbelievable. Thanks for the links badbob. Sutton is a drug runners ally. We have to get those good LEO's out of this mess.
 
Gonzales is a member of La Raza who believe in Riconquista or Reconquesting the USA southwest.

Gonzales got alot of money from Enron and made a pretty big decision that has favored the oil industry. Gonzales also worked for the law firm Vinson & Elkins he even became a partner.
two notable clients Halliburton and Enron.

Gonzales also failed to act in abuse at Texas Youth Centers ie sex parties and gang raping of minors by the guards and other faculty running the facilities. guards that are even convicted felons and sex offenders.

scum is to soft a word.
 
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Are these guys the ones that shot the doper in the rear, picked up their brass, and went about their business like nothing had happened?
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There is a lot of information that suggests they did notify their supervisor (per policy) and it was their supervisor that told them (and other agents) to brass up and failed to complete the required paperwork (it is a fact that various supervisors were punished for their handling of the situation). Moreover, the doper was not shot in the rear in the typical sense of the word. He was in at a bladed away angle to the agents, consistent with point back at the agents. (whether he was pointing a finger, a gun, or just looking back at them, only he and they can say)

If you don't do the paperwork and explain your actions, you are not a cop. You become a vigilante and/or a criminal dumbass if you go around shooting people in the desert.
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BP agents that fire their weapons don’t do paperwork.
 
I think it has already been pointed out that the case I was thinking of is not the one the rest of the folks here are talking about. If you want to stand up for those guys in the old case, do a search and find the thread. You will not be alone, but you will be in the minority...

BPAs really do not have to report anything when they discharge their firearms? I don't buy that. State your source, please.

If the border really is a unrestricted free-fire zone with no system of accountability for LEOs, I'm siding with the Mexicans. I'll see you on the border, A. Henry.
 
I think it has already been pointed out that the case I was thinking of is not the one the rest of the folks here are talking about. If you want to stand up for those guys in the old case, do a search and find the thread. You will not be alone, but you will be in the minority…
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Actually, you do the search and see where I’ve already posted my views on the two El Paso BPA's involved shooting. More than once. And the original poster’s article is referencing the El Paso shooting.
If the border really is a unrestricted free-fire zone with no system of accountability for LEOs, I'm siding with the Mexicans.
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Who said there is no accountability for border LEO’s? It is an easily verified fact that quite a few Border Patrol agents over the years have been convicted of a crime only to have that conviction overturned later. I personally don’t believe that any PA gets a fair trial on the border. Be that as it may, the border certainly is a “free-fire zone”, but it’s not free-fire due to American’s...

BPAs really do not have to report anything when they discharge their firearms? I don't buy that. State your source, please.
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I didn’t say they don’t have to report anything. Work on your reading comprehension skills Mr. Thunderchief. If you actually read what I wrote you will see that I specifically stated OBP policy requires that PA’s that fire their weapons do have to report the shooting. All I said is that policy states a PA that fires his weapon does not write any paperwork on it. The paperwork is done by others.

If you really care about carrying on a conversation about something you should really learn how to read the words written by the other person.
 
BP agents that fire their weapons don’t do paperwork
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That's all you wrote. I read it. Hmmmmm... let me read it again. Seems simple enough. I'm sure you know everything there is to know about police procedure, but the above quote was all you bothered to pass along here. You made a simple, unqualified statement, and I called BS.
 
Gonzales is a member of La Raza who believe in Riconquista or Reconquesting the USA southwest.
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Mr. Apathy,
Could you provide a source for that statement? Article or link? Honestly, it wouldn't surprise me considering the anti-American position of Pres. Bush in regards to illegal aliens coming in but I have never heard that abotu Gonzales. Probably be best to have a source to back it up.
 
Doug, I'm not MrApathy but here are some links.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41628
http://www.nclr.org/content/news/detail/29313

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18406-2005Mar8.html
Cecilia Muñoz, vice president for policy at La Raza, said that Gonzales's body of work with Latino organizations, rather than his contribution to the memo, motivates her organization's position.

"Many people were not aware of Judge Gonzales's long history with our affiliates in Texas, and moving then-Governor Bush to the right posture, from our perspective on key civil rights issues, like anti-English only requirements, like anti-immigrant ballot initiatives, bilingual education and affirmative action," Muñoz said. "There's a list of issues where Judge Gonzales and Governor Bush did the right thing."
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badbob
 
some reason my messages arent coming out right http://www.hispanicvista.com/hvc/Opinion/Guest_Columns/111504LULAC_NCLR.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/national-council-of-la-raza
Gonzales was board member of houston,Tx Chapter

Alberto Gonzales served with distinction on the board of directors of one of NCLR's oldest and most respected affiliates, the Association for the Advancement of Mexican Americans (AAMA) in Houston, Texas. Moreover, during his tenure as White House Counsel, he has been one of the most accessible members of the White House staff to NCLR and other Hispanic organizations," added Murguia.
 
Has anyone every run a make on Sutton. It is obvious he is a Bush hack. It is obvious he is tasked to intimidate the BP and local LE. What is the guy's background. School, affiliations, acquaintances, organizations, past jobs, past controversies, etc. It didn't take much work to dig up Gonzales affiliations. Bush campaigned in Texas for governor saying stuff similar to what you hear out of reconquistas. Who is this Sutton dude? He's a key player in the effort to keep the border open.
 
badbob,
ahenry, are you aware of the Gary Brugman case? Same Johnny Sutton as prosecutor, same tactics. It boggles the mind!
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Yes I am, but only in an “after the fact” manner. Obviously the story printed in the media sounds damning of the prosecutions case. I am cautious of make a judgement on it though, as I am well aware that I am only getting one side of the story… Are you aware of former BPA Sipe’s story?

Oldbillthunderchief,
I said it once, twice, and now three times. Border Patrol Agents that fire their weapons DO NOT have to fill out any paperwork. It’s been all over the news stories about Ramos and Compean, so if you had made any sort of effort to find out what happened that day you should have been aware of it. Of course if you made up your mind without doing any research then you probably wouldn’t have noticed that. No, I”m not going to do your research for you, but googling it comes up with all sorts of substantiation, the National Border Patrol Council website has that fact available for anybody that actually cares. And if that’s not enough for you go read the court transcript of the Chief of the El Paso Sector (at that time), Luis Barker’s testimony during the case. He specifically states that an agent is not required by policy to fill out any paperwork, nor can he be required by management to do so. He reports it ORALLY.
 
WOW! Now that I've seen those links, I do seem to remember reading an article way back when on his being a member of La Raza. This means Bush appointed, in effect, an enemy agent into our government.
 
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