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I've been an internet forum and bulletin board user for many years - on a very wide range of topics.

I'd be interested in people's thoughts on the concept of closing threads. In general I tend to find this behavior in gun and shooting forums more than in other topics I've experienced. Mind you - I hang out in TFL because I think it's done considerably less frequently here than other places I've been - but it's still > 0. I'm not knocking the moderators. I know you all put in lots of time and effort. I just find it intriguing that it seems our hobby tends to have forums that have this behavior while others do not.

The other places I've been (the non-gun related ones) have moderators - but they tend to get involved only if something degrades to someone being really beligerent. And even then it's done through private messaging - MAYBE deleting a response or something like that. I think it's fair to say the community learns of the action only if they notice something has been deleted or the person reprimanded reports that they were contacted by the moderator.

It seems to me if something is off topic or stupid or doesn't "get legs" it will die a natural death (i.e. "close") on it's own.

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I won't give a long and drawn out answer to the question. Suffice it to say that TFL is a closely moderated forum and as such we will close/edit/delete wherever and whenever we see that the threads or posts require it.

We might close threads more frequently than those other forums you frequent because we try to stay ahead of the bickering that is inherent in almost any topic you can mention. In other words we are proactive instead of reactive.

If the subject of a thread is off topic for TFL or is "stupid" as you put it, we will close it on sight. We've found that such threads don't die a natural death, but some, otherwise good, members who participate in them will die an unnatural death by banishment. We honestly try to avoid that, and if closing a thread prematurely, by your reckoning, is the cost, then so be it.
 
9 times out of 10, I agree with the staff; its for the greater good.

Once in a while.... I don't agree, just happened a day or two ago here. A member here was "ripped off" in an online gun part purchase. Thread got closed. :confused: His experience and thread might have saved another gun owner from a similar outcome. Certainly seemed firearms related to me despite some tangents other folks were commenting on.

All in all I think the staff here has created a tremendous resource for us all here and if the occasional egg needs to be broken so we can have an omelet, I can live with that.
 
I agree, it drives me crazy too! Try as I may to like TFL the excessive moderator intervention makes it impossible to enjoy it in the way I should be able to. I rarely sign-on and participate as a result. :confused:
 
I'm a Mod on a few different forums, I've yet to see the Mods on here bin/close a thread without reason. Read and follow the rules and they'll be no problems.
 
I think I speak for the other mods when I say that I'd much rather read and respond to threads than edit or lock them.

I didn't come to TFL a decade ago to deal with problem threads and problem users, I came here because I liked the information interchange and the interaction with the members. Frankly the mod duties interfere with that.

I lock threads or edit them to keep them from getting worse and I do it when I figure it's the only way to avoid more cleanup work and more problems later. And I realize while I'm doing it that some folks are going understand why it's happening and and others won't.

Closing notes are always good, but sometimes it's not really possible to fully explain the entire rationale for a lock without writing a book.
 
We might close threads more frequently than those other forums you frequent because we try to stay ahead of the bickering that is inherent in almost any topic you can mention. In other words we are proactive instead of reactive.

If the subject of a thread is off topic for TFL or is "stupid" as you put it, we will close it on sight. We've found that such threads don't die a natural death, but some, otherwise good, members who participate in them will die an unnatural death by banishment. We honestly try to avoid that, and if closing a thread prematurely, by your reckoning, is the cost, then so be it.
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And thanks to ALL THE MOD's again.
follow the rules and regs not everyone likes "reality forums" just informational ones and ones without all THE DRAMA.......:)
 
I think most people who regularly post on TFL know why a thread gets locked without the closing note.
I much prefer the proactive mods, this forum isn't here to bash on others.
 
The mods do a fine job. When they close a thread, it's usually obvious why they did so.

If you can give reasons why a thread should be reopened, you can PM the mod who closed it. I've done it now and then, and a couple of times the thread was reopened...

I suspect it helps to have good reasons, and to be polite... ;)
 
The way this forum is moderated is the only reason I still stop by. I am a member on 10 different forums on several different topics & active on 6 of them. Mostly for the quest of knowledge. The ones that I just stop by regulary are strictly moderated! I value your opinion on my topic, not on my opinion! The forums that aren't moderated never fails to host a keyboard terrorist! You know the ones, they are 10ft tall & bullet proof behind a keyboard! When they start barking I leave! I don't care for the drama either. If I had to vote for more or less moderation on TFL, it would be for more! Play by the rules, or don't play!! Mods, thank you for what you do!!
 
I've been a mod on another forum for a couple of years now. Stuff happens that regular members don't see/hear. Mods don't act arbitrarily, they discuss what they do between the team. TFL runs a tight ship and they do it very well.
 
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Stuff happens that regular members don't see/hear. Mods don't act arbitrarily, they discuss what they do between the team.
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I was about to make this very point until I saw you beat me to the punch. This is in my speculation the most common oversight of regular members. All they see are valid/on-point posts. Sometimes, even after deleting posts, there's just no way of saving the thread and it's time to bring the axe.
 
I've been a mod on several gun forums, mostly black powder forums that went under for one reason or another. I never understood locking a thread for getting off topic. If the thread has any further value it will get back on topic on it's own. If it doesn't it's fun to see where it ends up sometimes.
 
"If the thread has any further value it will get back on topic on it's own. If it doesn't it's fun to see where it ends up sometimes. "

In my nearly 20 years experience in posting on electronic bulletin boards, threads that veer off topic normally do not go back on topic without direct and pointed intervention from either dedicated members or staff.

At its very heart, TFL is a focused discussion board. Discussion works best when it remains focused. That's why we have sections broken down by firearm types and disciplines.

That's why we've also started taking a harder line against those who post handgun discussions in the wrong handgun board.

TFL's focused discussion nature also tends to preclude both "letting threads flow to see where they will go" and any support at all for an "off topic" discussions board.
 
And to pile on Mike's point of focused discussion: We pride ourselves in having this board as a reliable source of information. Performing searches on a subject is quite the nightmare with threads riddled with useless noise. We try to separate the wheat from the chaff so researchers don't have to nearly as much.
 
Shane:

The point you make in your most recent post is excellent. When searching for information it is tough to find a thread that is 4+ pages long and have to go through it all to see where the nugget of gold is.

Thanks for all the replies. My question, in general, wasn't centered (or meant to be centered) on when threads get closed or for what reason. I understand there are rules and violating, in all likelihood, will cause a thread to get closed. I was just curious/observing the fact that guns/shooting *as a category* seems to have this practice more so than other hobbies/subjects.

Thanks again.

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"I was just curious/observing the fact that guns/shooting *as a category* seems to have this practice more so than other hobbies/subjects."

Well, in my view, a lot of that is simply because other hobbies/subjects don't have the kind of negative "press" associated with them.

In general, I think it behooves firearms boards to take a much more... professional, for lack of a better word... stance when it comes to discussion.

A case in point is the thread this evening asking about the best gun for pistol whipping.

A thread like that simply will not stand. It's an idiotic question on its very face, it paints all gun owners in a very poor light, and in probably the vast majority of scenarios where someone is beaten with a gun, it involves an illegal act, i.e., assault.

Such topics will always be closed at TFL.
 
I frequent a few other gun/outdoors forums, and I prefer TFL because of the close moderation.

If you have a valid point to argue, you won't have a problem here. If you simply wish to spew vitriol and hate, you're not going to be here long.

I come here because it's a place for serious discussion, while allowing for a little bit of humor.

The unmoderated/loosely moderated boards are OK if that's what you want, but quickly degenerate into folks trading insulting posts and I just don't care for that.

I've certainly made my share of tongue in cheek posts here, but I don't insult other posters and I'm happy with the way the board is moderated.
 
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