Clinton OKs War Crimes Court Entry

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I hope President Dubya takes a real hard look at the latest Clinton move. This joker can not possibly leave office fast enough to satisfy me. Once again Senator No, err Helms, stands front and center against our fascist president. Way to go Senator No!

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20001231/pl/clinton_un_tribunal_6.html

Sunday December 31 3:03 PM ET
Clinton OKs War Crimes Court Entry


By LAWRENCE L. KNUTSON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Acting at the last moment, President Clinton on Sunday authorized the United States to sign a treaty creating the world's first permanent international war crimes tribunal to bring to justice people accused of crimes against humanity.

The president said his action, taken with some reservations, builds on U.S. support for justice and individual accountability dating to American involvement in the Nuremberg tribunals that brought Nazi war criminals to justice after World War II. ``Our action today sustains that tradition of moral leadership,'' he said.

The treaty should not be submitted to the Senate for ratification until certain concerns are met, he said.

``I believe that a properly constituted and structured International Criminal Court would make a profound contribution in deterring egregious human rights abuses worldwide...,'' the president said in a statement issued at the White House.

The treaty must be ratified by the Senate before U.S. participation in the tribunal becomes final. Fierce opposition to its terms is expected from conservatives led by Sen. Jesse Helms, R-N.C.

The president said he acted ``to reaffirm our strong support for international accountability and for bringing to justice perpetrators of genocide, war crimes and crimes against humanity.''

``In signing, however, we are not abandoning our concerns about significant flaws in the treaty,'' the president said. ``In particular, we are concerned that when the court comes into existence, it will not only exercise authority over personnel of states that have ratified the treaty, but also claim jurisdiction over personnel of states that have not.''

``Given these concerns, I will not and do not recommend that my successor submit the treaty to the Senate (for ratification) until our fundamental concerns are satisfied,'' he said.

Clinton acted at Camp David, the presidential retreat in western Maryland where he and his family are spending the last New Year's weekend of his administration.

Sunday was the deadline for countries to sign on to the international criminal court treaty and transmit it to United Nations headquarters in New York. After Sunday, ratification is the only way a government can express support for the treaty or associate itself with it.

The court would be the first permanent institution created specifically to try charges of war crimes, genocide and crimes against humanity. At present the United Nations has two specifically targeted and temporary war crimes courts in operation. One deals with suspects from the Bosnia-Herzegovina civil war of the early 1990s and the other with people implicated in atrocities during unrest in Rwanda in 1994.

Treaty supporters contend that a permanent international war crimes court is ``the missing link'' in the global legal system and say that over the past half century there have been many instances of war crimes and crimes against humanity that have gone unpunished.

For example, supporters note that no one has ever been held accountable for the alleged genocide in Cambodia in the 1970s when an estimated 2 million people were killed by the Khmer Rouge or for killings in such other countries as Mozambique, Liberia and El Salvador.

Support for a permanent international war crimes tribunal was first expressed in the years immediately after World War II. Interest in creating such a court has been voiced periodically ever since.

The United Nations contends that setting up temporary courts to deal with alleged war crimes in specific countries has been an inadequate response because unavoidable delays lead to such consequences as deteriorated evidence, escaped or vanished witnesses, and witness intimidation.

Some in the United States have expressed concern, however, that U.S. approval of such an international tribunal might subject American citizens to politically motivated prosecutions.

Helms, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, has campaigned vigorously against the court. He has pledged to give top priority during the congressional session starting next week to passage of a bill that would bar U.S. cooperation with any such international tribunal.

Helms also has tried to persuade Israel, which also is delaying its decision until the last minute, to reject the international court. In an opinion piece in an Israeli newspaper this month, Helms said that if the court existed now, senior Israeli officials possibly could have been indicted for actions taken to put down the ongoing spasm of anti-Israeli violence by Palestinians.

The United States and Israel were among the handful of countries that did not sign the statute creating the treaty when it was issued in Rome in 1998.

Four countries signed the treaty on Friday - the Bahamas, Mongolia, Tanzania and Uzbekistan - which brings the number to 136.

Twenty-seven have ratified it, and 60 are needed before the treaty can enter into force.

Human rights groups pushed Clinton on Friday to sign the treaty. Human Rights Watch said ``history will look harshly on President Clinton if he fails to sign,'' and Amnesty International said Clinton's signature ``will demonstrate U.S. support for the rule of law and for equal justice for all.''
 
Senator helms is a gem, we need more people like him in the senate. I believe he is up for reelection in 2002, and I hope he is victorious.
 
The article makes statements aledging that fears of this court amount only to the idea that it might persue politically motivated prosecutions.
In fact, this court does not stand up to the standards of justice that Americans already enjoy in the United States under our own Constitution.
Therefore, it does not matter whether or not a certain case is politically motivated or not or even if the accused is actually guilty or not. The court simply fails to meet acceptable standards of juriprudence: finding out the truth about the situation and devising a just punishments for those found guilty of crimes.
Americans are very good about punishing criminals in their own ranks.
Note that analogy to American participation in the fanmous Nuremberg trials is indeed flawed. No American citizen was tried at Nuremberg. No American's rights were denied. It simply was not necessary.
I do not believe that the situation has changed in any meaningful way.
 
Bumerang!

I suspect some USAF pilots could be up for trial, especially after
bombing sensitive places that were definitely not of military nature.
Maybe one should also ask that British pilot who bombed a busy
marketplace in Iraq to step forward.

You can't hang the bad guys without judging the good guys too.
 
Enough of all that!!! All it will take is for the U.N. to declare private firearms ownership a "crime against humanity", and guess what...

This must die in the senate, and Pres. Bush MUST withdraw from it as soon as he takes office!!!
START THE LETTERS AND PHONE CALLS RIGHT NOW!!!!!!
 
You can bet money, marbles, or chalk the world court will wade in on RKBA.

But before that happens the court will be used to go after grunts, swabbies, air farces, and jugheads. If you want to screw up a chain of command, just insert a second chain then neatly ties it all together with the threat of legal action.

This action by clinton is bad juju.
 
Here's another take on this...after my rant.

mussi: Right!
Herodotus: I wouldn't give them a micro-inch.

<rant> All: They are heading to control everything and individual countries will find "their ways" slowly, but ultimately, diluted to the point of non-existance. AFAIC every socialist acting country today is already washed, dressed and cooking - soon to be served up to One World Government (the UN in Action); thus far, the US has been heading in that direction. We too, are meant for the serving plate - in fact, we are the supreme target for if we (THE BIG DOMINO) give it up, the rest is easy.

That direction must end, right here, right now - and watchful eyes must ferret out the insidious language that's found its way into the bowels of legislation, executive orders, rules, regulations, guidelines (etc.) promulgated these past 8 years and have it all made null and void. For if we don't, these little hidden goodies will be trotted out in the future as the "rule of law" and "the law of the land" having been approved by past congressional sessions and administrations. </rant off>

And BTW, what makes a lame duck president, 3-weeks from leaving office, feel pressured to ink this POS?

Bull-crappy.
(My $1.50)
IRONBARR

NEW YORK — President Clinton yesterday directed the United States to sign a treaty creating an International Criminal Court to try war-crimes suspects, despite reservations that it could be used to prosecute American soldiers.....(more)

Mr. Clinton acted in the face of staunch opposition from conservatives by giving the order just hours before a midnight deadline.....(more)

http://washtimes.com/national/default-200111224829.htm
 
This could be a good thing, as Klinton has commit war crimes against various countries. Lets see where to start oh yes, a certain missle attack, during a "rocky time" for him, could that be one??? Let them convict him of a war crime quick, then we get out of that crap!

Well who else thinks that he commited Abuses against Humanity??? I certainly think he has done so.
 
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