Clinton guts military and sells out to China

MoW

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not that noone or any of the other Liberals will change their minds(;) ) but they keep asking for proof and then ignore---but here goes

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/3/9/164928

and from David Horowitz posted in 2000 from the Gore campaign:No one watching the Dick Cheney-Joe Lieberman debate could fail to be impressed by the authoritative tones in which the former secretary of defense expressed his concern over the decline of America's military capability as a result of the imprudent cuts of the Clinton-Gore regime. In fact, Cheney was far too mild in laying out the damage. The administration has systematically gutted the American military, which is now but a shadow of its former self.

Virtually every dollar of Gore's "reinventing government" cuts are cuts in the U.S. military. The current defense budget is $300 billion below the already downsized defense budget of 1993, which Clinton and Gore inherited. The Navy is half the size it was in 1993. America's bombers are older than the men who fly them. Overall, military spending is at its lowest level (as a percent of GNP) since before World War II.

As a result of the relentless cutting, year after year, by the Clinton-Gore White House, America's defense forces are now missing 709,000 regular (active duty) service personnel and 293,000 reserve troops. These include eight standing Army divisions, 20 Air Force and Navy air wings with 2,000 combat aircraft and 232 strategic bombers, 13 strategic ballistic missile submarines with 3,114 nuclear warheads, 500 ICBMs, four aircraft carriers, 121 surface combat ships and submarines, plus all the support bases, shipyards and logistical assets needed to sustain such a force.

These figures do not even include the equipment inoperable for lack of spare parts in a military drained of resources because of overdeployment and underfunding. For example, there is an entire "paper" wing (four squadrons of 18 planes each) of F-16s that is being carried as "administratively reassigned" to Langley Air Force Base in Virginia. These planes are actually sitting on the side of a runway, in plain view. They have been cannibalized for spare parts.

On top of the equipment and personnel gaps, there has been a steep decline in the morale of enlisted men and women as a result of the reckless overdeployment of U.S. forces under the Clinton-Gore command. How reckless? From 1945 to 1991 -- years when the United States was in a Cold War with the Soviet Union -- U.S. armed forces were deployed exactly 10 times. In the eight years between 1992 and the present, U.S. forces have been deployed 33 times. These deployments were for "peacekeeping," humanitarian aid, nation building and other essentially nonmilitary purposes. Their cost has been underwritten by the regular military budget, depleting monies that were earmarked for maintenance, research and the development of new military technologies.

In sum, when Gore and Lieberman deny that the U.S. military has been dramatically degraded in the past eight years, they are liars. When they accuse the Bush-Cheney team of a lack of patriotism for pointing out these deficiencies, they are scoundrels.

America's enemies are well aware of the weakened state of our defenses. They do not have to be told that America could not put in place a helicopter force that Clinton actually requested during the Balkans war. They can read in the daily papers the postmortems on the war that reveal that "37,000 aerial sorties were required to destroy what General Wesley Clark claimed were 93 tanks, 53 armored fighting vehicles and 389 artillery pieces: that these comprised respectively, 8 percent, 7 percent and 4 percent of such targets, leaving the Yugoslav army virtually intact," according to Mark Helprin's "Mr. Clinton's Army," which appeared Tuesday in the Wall Street Journal.

Even to achieve this laughable result, Helprin writes, "the United States went without carriers in the Western Pacific during a crisis in Korea, and the Air Force tasked 40 percent of its intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance assets, and 95 percent of its regular and 65 percent of its airborne tanker force, in what the chief of staff called a heavier strain than either the Gulf War or the Vietnam War."

The chickens hatched by eight years of dereliction in the area of national security are now coming home to roost. As a direct result of the failures of the Clinton-Gore foreign policy, and the weakening of America's credibility as a world power, the allied coalition that won the Gulf War is dead, and Saddam Hussein is back in business. The oil cartel that dominated Jimmy Carter's years in office has the West by the throat again, while the United States is more dependent on foreign sources of oil -- and thus more economically vulnerable -- than it has ever been. A summary episode: Last month Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela (which supplies 22 percent of U.S. oil) and a political fan of Fidel Castro's, made stops in Cuba and Libya on his way to Iraq to call for raising oil prices to as much as $50 a barrel. All this without a peep of protest from the State Department.

While bankrupt energy and foreign policies made Americans hostages to the OPEC mafia, the Clinton-Gore administration became officially tongue-tied in the face of a United Nations Security Council resolution condemning Israel for defending itself against a Palestinian assault on its sovereignty over Jerusalem. The assault came after years of demonstrable Palestinian contempt for the Oslo Accords and in the face of massive Israeli concessions by the most dovish government in Israeli history. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak actually offered to surrender 90 percent of the West Bank and to share power in Jerusalem -- previously unthinkable to Israeli governments. But Yasser Arafat thumbed his nose at the offer.

Now, after seven years of the failed "peace process," the intifada is back, and the Middle East is threatening to explode. For seven years, the Palestinians have refused to accept the most basic conditions of the Oslo Accords: renunciation of violence and recognition of Israel. For seven years, the administration has done nothing to hold Arafat and the Palestinians accountable. Meanwhile, under the accords, the Palestinians have become an armed "police" force inside the Israeli state. This combination of a Palestinian arms buildup and an Israeli appeasement interpreted as weakness has now erupted in violence and a breakdown of the peace process itself.

The collapse of the Clinton-Gore foreign policy in the Middle East, and the related failures of the administration's energy policy, have served to restore national security questions to a primary place in the presidential contest. For the last two decades of the Cold War, anxiety over national security was the surest guarantee that the American people would turn to Republicans to provide a commander in chief (the one exception being the one-term presidency of a military veteran from the South).

With the successful conclusion of the Cold War conflict, Americans felt safe enough to trust the nation's defense to Democrats not once but twice, the first time that had happened since the beginning of the Vietnam War. The question Americans will decide in the next three weeks is whether they feel safe enough with a risky fellow like Al Gore to try this once again.
 
I love this part of the article...

With the successful conclusion of the Cold War conflict, Americans felt safe enough to trust the nation's defense to Democrats not once but twice, the first time that had happened since the beginning of the Vietnam War.

...thing is the dang "Cold War" ain't over. The wall might have come down, the USSR might be gone in the traditional sense, but more and more it seems the nation gives up more and more of it's rights everyday. The kids & teens coming up today... heck a good portion of the people in my age bracket (I'm 27) don't see a problem with more Top Down Government. Things get abused and Socialism/Communism rears it's damn head again. No it's not like the iron boot diplomacy of the hammer & sickle, but traditionally speaking it would be "Communism" only it hides it's face behind new banners. Global Progressivism my butt! Gun Control issues that never cease to end from the left, etc. It's just sickening. The very thing good men and women died for or risked their lives during the Cold War to protect America from, may very well one day be a reality. But of course saying that is automatically considered "nuts" to most people. No I'm not going to lose sleep over any of it, but it's just sad is all.

Most today think they are "Owed" something, and those who have never studied Soviet Doctrine and Deception Tactics, and take a good look at other places in human history are the very ones helping usher it in for the convience factor of feeling SAFER. :rolleyes: Ahh well, what can you do?

Good article BTW, I just found that statement towards the bottom darkly humourous and sad at the same time for all the reasons stated above.
 
A very good read and brings much insight. People need to know that many of our current problems started years ago with people who where short sighted and did things that gave them their short term gain. Those things are now comming back to haunt us.
 
Nobody take this wrong as I love Regan. But the problems started with him. Not Bush Sr., Not Clinton, and not Bush Jr.

People spend far to much time reflecting on the past and not taking the time to reflect on the future and how we should fix the mistakes past leaders have made. Does it make it ok? Absoulutley not.

Regan sold missles to Iran behind our backs. Who Is now a big time enemy. But are people making threads about this? Absolutley not! Because it appears on this forum its ok for Repbulicans to make mistakes but when it comes to Democrats you just cant accept the fact.

This used to be the UNITED States of America.

Both Democrats and Republicans have become complete enemies. Yes in the old days there was always rivalry but they still worked together. Both the left and the right continue to take more time calling people idiots then working on actual issues facing this great nation!
 
wrong Andrew the first cuts started with Bush Sr. and Cheney who made the first round of duts after Desert Storm...

the first cuts in military strength form 2.2 million to 1.6 million occured

In his 1992 State of th Union Speech Bush Sr. was planning to cut the military by 30%

he killed the B2 program
cancelled the small ICBM Program
stopped production of the Peackeeper program

Cheney under Bush Sr. cut many of the programs that they accused Kerry of cutting...lol

http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/weapons.asp

even Snopes knows political BS when it hears it............

defense expenditure dropped from 5.6% in 1989 to 3% of GDP by a decade later....The Clinton administration was only following the same plan which the Bush administration began...
 
George Bush I has Prince Bandir of Saudi Arabia over to his compound in Maine all the time - most of the 9/11 terrorists came from guess where and who funds fundamentalist schools across the world?

They all sell out.
 
AndrewTB's remark about the Republicans & Democrats both being sell out hits the mark. They both follow political expediencies instead of stated conceptual philosophies. Politicians are interested in only one thing: getting elected or reelected (and the $$$ that goes with it). Towards that end, all things are driven.:barf:
 
George Bush I has Prince Bandir of Saudi Arabia over to his compound in Maine all the time - most of the 9/11 terrorists came from guess where and who funds fundamentalist schools across the world?

I have friends from Georgia. Does that mean I'm was in league with Eric Rudolph? I have friends who are not the biggest fans of guns. Does that mean I'm supportive of Feinstein? Guilt by assosiation I guess.
 
Prince Bandir is high the Saudi government. That is not guilt by mere association. If you had Eric over, that would be good enough for me. Our constant kowtowing to the Saudis is promoted by this type of behavior.

Secrets of the Kingdom: The Inside Story of the Secret Saudi-U.S. Connection by Gerald L. Posner - good read.

I suppose that some conservatives have to mindlessly follow the leader into whatever crap he or she does.

Your logic fails. :cool:
 
Eghad,
I wasn't only reffering to china when I mentioned Regan. I mean't the US in general. After all I do believe the reason Al Queida was so succesful was because Regan helped create them. I sorta got off topic a bit with my first post but hopefully this will clarify it a bit.

Lately all politicians regardless of political party have been letting us americans down. Its time for a big change. I hope I live to see the day!
 
Glenn,
I haven't read that book, so I'll ask a question. Is this prince a terrorist? Is there any proof in this book or otherwise that this guy is a terrorist or supports them? I'll try to google this and see what I get. I agree that Saudi Arabia's government as a whole does not have a good record regarding terrorists, but I also have no specific knowledge on the subject. And no, I don't follow republicans wherever they go, but I also don't spout every DU theory about who goes to whose house and what it all means. (yes, I can be smug also)
 
It's the treason, stupid!!

As I said in another post -
During the Clinton/Gore Demosocialist reign, Clinton made the following cuts:

1.) 709,000 active duty troops.
2.) 293,000 reserve troops.
3.) Eight standing Army divisions.
4.) 20 Air Force and Navy air wings with 2000 combat aircraft.
5.) 232 strategic bombers.
6.) 19 strategic ballistic missle subs with 3114 warheads on 232 missles.
7.) 500 ICBMs with 1950 warheads.
8.) Four aircraft carriers.
9.) 121 surface combat ships.
10.) Bases, naval yards and logistics to support the above (8 and 9).


These are the facts of the matter and they cannot be denied. If this does not qualify as gutting the military, then nothing does. Clinton has gone on record - in writing - in the past as saying, "In reality, I loathe the military" in a letter to his selective service board. He has certainly proved it by his actions.

One of Clinton's priorities, if not his top priority, was gutting the U.S. military, which he did - in spades. The number of troops, combat aircraft, warships, Army divisions, submarines, missles and warheads which he did away with would make up a military force that would make over 95% of the nations of the world green with envy. And he p*ssed it all away just because he could.

The troops and hardware Clinton did away with are not available to relieve our overdeployed Guard and Reserve units in the middle east today. I'm sure these soldiers and their families are grateful to Clinton for that.

Maybe in the twisted, illogical rhetoric of Demosocialist newspeak, Clinton didn't really gut the military; maybe it was an "adjustment," a "fine tuning," or a "reevaluation."

In the real world - where reality reigns and the shortages Clinton is responsible for are paid for with the blood and lives of real soldiers, men and women with real families at home - there is but one reality based conclusion: Clinton gutted the U.S. military and p*ssed away billions just because he could.

People bitch and moan about "W" and his spending on the military. If Clinton had not gutted the military, Bush would not have had to spend billions to rebuild it.

Clinton did as much as he could to dismantle the U.S. military, in the face of real and verifiable threats to the nation.

That is treason, plain and simple.
 
Every thing I read about the Saudis clearly points to them supporting terrorism. Prince Bandir is an integral part of their government. That's good enough for me.

To say that he isn't a terrorists - what does that mean? He personally didn't plant a bomb. His government supports the schools that teach hate for the West, Jews and Christianity. I haven't heard him denouncing that or resigning in protest. Saudi spokespeople say in English that they are working on it but in Arabic, their rhetoric is quite different. One of the princes is overtly hateful towards us. He is Minister of something - defense, security, I would have to Google it.

The point is that many in the government take a 'realist' position. They want trade with China or oil from the Middle East. They may personally benefit from it. The Dems or Republican upper echelons are really all the same.

In WWII, Ford and IBM were a little too close to Hitler - so nothing changes.
 
Yea! Right! Slick willie did cut the military budget but dammit man, lying assed gwb has been in office 5 years and he has closed military bases, world wide including here at home, he has shut down VA hospitals all over the country, cut veterans bennefits, sent our troops into a battle with no plan for completion poorly equiped with personal survival equipment and Rumsfield says " oh well, what the hell? we use what we got.", and his loyals blames it on a legislative act that happened almost 10 years ago.:eek:
 
Yea! Right! Slick willie did cut the military budget but dammit man, lying assed gwb has been in office 5 years and he has closed military bases, world wide including here at home, he has shut down VA hospitals all over the country, cut veterans bennefits, sent our troops into a battle with no plan for completion poorly equiped with personal survival equipment and Rumsfield says " oh well, what the hell? we use what we got.", and his loyals blames it on a legislative act that happened almost 10 years ago.:eek:
And as for Slick willie selling out to the chinese????? Man guess who is finacing this astronomical national dept that gwb as managed to achieve from a fat surplus-------give up?????----CHINA AND JAPAN.
 
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