Anyone else have a problem with these national road blocks that are being set up May 24 - June 6. The target is seat belt use, (and getting a fine for not using one). I like to take several guns to the range in my truck, guess I will not shoot this week. I would hate to get pulled over and have to explain the guns. Seems like we keep losing freedoms.
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In PA, not wearing a seatbelt is a "secondary offense". They can't stop one for just not wearing a setbelt, but if stopped for any other offense and not wearing a setbelt the ticket is issued. One odious thing they do here is set up what they call "Courtesy Stops". The "Courtesy Stops" are basically roadblocks ostensively for "education" purposes. While one one State cop smiles and talks to you another one or two walks around your vehicle. It's an appalling intrusion.
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Yeah, they bug me.
How bad, you ask? Well this is a family friendly board so :barf:
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Why? Not in the mood to preach to the chior today. You guys/gals already know, and the sheeple don't care. (After all it keeps thier insurance costs down :barf: :barf: )
Something about temporary safety being traded for liberty not being a good idea coming to mind.........
How bad, you ask? Well this is a family friendly board so :barf:
:barf: . Why? Not in the mood to preach to the chior today. You guys/gals already know, and the sheeple don't care. (After all it keeps thier insurance costs down :barf: :barf: )
Something about temporary safety being traded for liberty not being a good idea coming to mind.........
The two states near where I live MN, WI also have secondary laws on seat belt use. Tonight I got stopped in a "road block" I had my belt on but others that did not were getting tickets or warnings. It would seem that as long as everyone is stopped it is no longer a secondary law.
With my truck I feel taking guns hunting, the range, etc are also a gray area. The law says I should not have access to them when in the truck or be in a locked container. Hard to do in a truck. Normally I don't give it much thought, but I would hate to be made an example of for transporting firearms. Not be be a trouble maker but maybe I will test the waters with
a empty gun case or two.
With my truck I feel taking guns hunting, the range, etc are also a gray area. The law says I should not have access to them when in the truck or be in a locked container. Hard to do in a truck. Normally I don't give it much thought, but I would hate to be made an example of for transporting firearms. Not be be a trouble maker but maybe I will test the waters with
a empty gun case or two.
Shame on them for trying to keep you and your loved ones alive. Straping a seat belt on just takes so much time and energy, they should be ashamed of themselves. Setting up stops might prevent a drunk driver from killing someone you love, or drug runners delivering a load to your town, the list goes on. If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?
I agree. I don't think that's rubbish. I wear mine. But, I don't think it should be the law. When they put roll cages and seatbelts on motorcycles, I'll agree to the seatbelt law.
I haven't seen them do the roadblocks around here, because it is a secondary violation, but I've heard of other possible abuses of the law.
How do they get by with stopping people without any reason anyway? In the roadblocks, that is. This sounds KGBish. I thought police had to have some kind of reason for pulling somebody over.
Its unconstitutional. You don't harm any other person, other than yourself, if you don't wear a seatbelt. Cop's that pull people over for this don't deserve my respect, infact, they are disgusting individuals for going along with laws that have no place in a truely free society.
Seatbelts
Hot topic! In Tn. I believe they have made it so the primary thing can be a seat bealt stop or reason to stop you for a seat bealt check and have been thru a few of them .
As a side ,one of our guys was pulled over and would not sign a ticket for no seat belt and he went to jail for the night,
Seems every one critisized him ,all i could say was ,If ever one would just do what he did and stand up we would not have all this mess.
This was at work ,we are in the memphis area and emphsize small m.
I have a large problem with the save your life check your seat belt,hike your azz 50 feet down the road and check out those 5 ,10,or 35 illegals is what I would love to broad cast.
Hot topic! In Tn. I believe they have made it so the primary thing can be a seat bealt stop or reason to stop you for a seat bealt check and have been thru a few of them .
As a side ,one of our guys was pulled over and would not sign a ticket for no seat belt and he went to jail for the night,
Seems every one critisized him ,all i could say was ,If ever one would just do what he did and stand up we would not have all this mess.
This was at work ,we are in the memphis area and emphsize small m.
I have a large problem with the save your life check your seat belt,hike your azz 50 feet down the road and check out those 5 ,10,or 35 illegals is what I would love to broad cast.
I use to feel it was an affront when I would come to a "safety" check.
However, with the number of Illegal immigrants (in reality crimigrants) driving here in the People's Republic, without either license or insurance, this is one way in which they are able to "clean" up the streets so to speak.
It is illegal to drive without a license and here they impound the car...when I get stopped I usually ask hows' the "fishing" going...always they reply having some good luck at the ol' fishing hole!
Have seen 5-6 vechiles awaiting the hook!
However, with the number of Illegal immigrants (in reality crimigrants) driving here in the People's Republic, without either license or insurance, this is one way in which they are able to "clean" up the streets so to speak.
It is illegal to drive without a license and here they impound the car...when I get stopped I usually ask hows' the "fishing" going...always they reply having some good luck at the ol' fishing hole!
Have seen 5-6 vechiles awaiting the hook!
My problem isn't with wearing or not wearing the seat belt(I wear mine). Its having a law that tells people that the government knows best, and tells them they have zero choice in an area that has no obvious moral guidelines(unlike stealing, murder, etc).
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Guys.. don't go OT and talk about immigrants, make a new thread about it.
Then why don't we ask that the police set up roadblocks every day?
Same logic they use in other countries to justify searching the people, their cars, and their homes without probable cause. It will be that way in this country someday.
I don't really care about traffic stops too much. I live in a gun friendly area so I don't have as much to deal with in a traffic stop with guns as a lot of these other guys do. Most cops around here don't even ask about guns when they pull you over. Other areas of the country and even my state- getting pulled over or stopping at roadblocks could be a real hassle.
"As a side ,one of our guys was pulled over and would not sign a ticket for no seat belt and he went to jail for the night,
Seems every one critisized him ,all i could say was ,If ever one would just do what he did and stand up we would not have all this mess."
The idiocy of seat belt laws notwithstanding, refusing to sign a ticket is just stupid. If you do that, you are giving the cop no choice but to take you to jail. Your signature on a ticket is nothing more than your pledge either to pay the fine or show up in court. It is not an admission of guilt.
Tim
Seems every one critisized him ,all i could say was ,If ever one would just do what he did and stand up we would not have all this mess."
The idiocy of seat belt laws notwithstanding, refusing to sign a ticket is just stupid. If you do that, you are giving the cop no choice but to take you to jail. Your signature on a ticket is nothing more than your pledge either to pay the fine or show up in court. It is not an admission of guilt.
Tim
Right now in AK seatbelts are a secondary offense. However, during this past legislative session a bill was introduced to make it a primary offense that warrants a traffic stop and citation. I'm not sure if it passed or not. The legislature was called into a special session to complete work on some of the governor's priority items. I don't think the seatbelt bill was one of them.
Rest assured, the bill was supported by the list of usual suspects of police chiefs, AST talking heads and the AK Peace Officers Association.
12-34hom, please don't take this as a personal attack on you. Rather it is a commentary as to the efficiency of the propaganda machine.
The primary goal of police officers is nothing of the kind. As a matter of fact we have no requirement to protect you or save anybody. The seatbelt thing is just PR to make people feel good.
The primary reason seatbelt laws are in place is because.......................you guessed it, the legislatures of the states are more or less owned by the insurance companies. Yup, that's right I said insurance companies.
Here's how it works. The states mandate you carry insurance on your vehicles. The insurance companies rub their hands together thinking of the $$ they'll make on charging drivers loan-shark prices on their premiums. The policy holders get tired of getting screwed by the insurance companies and demand their legislators do something about it. The legislative body introduces a bill to cap what an insurance company can charge as a premium. The insurance lobby whines and cries about losing profits and demands the legislature enact laws that will mitigate their profit loss in lowered insurance premiums. The easiest way to do this is to create a situation that statistically reduces the $$ amount paid out on claims. Hence, we get seatbelt laws for cars and helmet laws for motorcyclists. It's a win-win situation. The .gov gets another source of revenue and a legal reason to go on a fishing trip and the insurance companies in return get to statistically pay out less in injury claims from MVAs.
Do some of the officers really think they are doing good work for the people when doing seatbelt enforcement? Yes they do, but they're naive.
Does the .gov care on way or the other whether you get launched out the windshield in a head-on? Nope. As a matter of fact it's better if you do. It justifies EMS, fire, and LE budgets. It also add more ammo to the public propaganda campaigns (click it or ticket/seatbelts save lives).
Now do I think people should wear seatbelts? Well, I wear one because I think it makes sense to do so. I couldn't care less about anybody else, it's their own business. Yes I've had to clean up a few messes in my time and I still get paid the same either way.
Should the .gov have the power to mandate seatbelt usage in their vehicles? Absolutely not, it's an infringment on privacy and personal choice.
Should insurance companies have the right to refuse paying an injury claim for someone who wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Of course. They're a private company and can set any policy they wish and it should be made clear in the policy contract.
Understand that seatbelt and helmet laws aren't about saving lives. They're about chasing the Almighty Greenback Dollar for both .gov coffers and insurance company profits. Meanwhile the people lose a little more freedom and get screwed by both the .gov and their insurance company co-conspirators.
All Hail The Almighty Greenback Dollar.
Rest assured, the bill was supported by the list of usual suspects of police chiefs, AST talking heads and the AK Peace Officers Association.
12-34hom, please don't take this as a personal attack on you. Rather it is a commentary as to the efficiency of the propaganda machine.
The primary goal of police officers is nothing of the kind. As a matter of fact we have no requirement to protect you or save anybody. The seatbelt thing is just PR to make people feel good.
The primary reason seatbelt laws are in place is because.......................you guessed it, the legislatures of the states are more or less owned by the insurance companies. Yup, that's right I said insurance companies.
Here's how it works. The states mandate you carry insurance on your vehicles. The insurance companies rub their hands together thinking of the $$ they'll make on charging drivers loan-shark prices on their premiums. The policy holders get tired of getting screwed by the insurance companies and demand their legislators do something about it. The legislative body introduces a bill to cap what an insurance company can charge as a premium. The insurance lobby whines and cries about losing profits and demands the legislature enact laws that will mitigate their profit loss in lowered insurance premiums. The easiest way to do this is to create a situation that statistically reduces the $$ amount paid out on claims. Hence, we get seatbelt laws for cars and helmet laws for motorcyclists. It's a win-win situation. The .gov gets another source of revenue and a legal reason to go on a fishing trip and the insurance companies in return get to statistically pay out less in injury claims from MVAs.
Do some of the officers really think they are doing good work for the people when doing seatbelt enforcement? Yes they do, but they're naive.
Does the .gov care on way or the other whether you get launched out the windshield in a head-on? Nope. As a matter of fact it's better if you do. It justifies EMS, fire, and LE budgets. It also add more ammo to the public propaganda campaigns (click it or ticket/seatbelts save lives).
Now do I think people should wear seatbelts? Well, I wear one because I think it makes sense to do so. I couldn't care less about anybody else, it's their own business. Yes I've had to clean up a few messes in my time and I still get paid the same either way.
Should the .gov have the power to mandate seatbelt usage in their vehicles? Absolutely not, it's an infringment on privacy and personal choice.
Should insurance companies have the right to refuse paying an injury claim for someone who wasn't wearing a seatbelt. Of course. They're a private company and can set any policy they wish and it should be made clear in the policy contract.
Understand that seatbelt and helmet laws aren't about saving lives. They're about chasing the Almighty Greenback Dollar for both .gov coffers and insurance company profits. Meanwhile the people lose a little more freedom and get screwed by both the .gov and their insurance company co-conspirators.
All Hail The Almighty Greenback Dollar.
The Good German
"Setting up stops might prevent a drunk driver from killing someone you love, or drug runners delivering a load to your town, the list goes on. If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
Random searches of homes might uncover a meth lab - let the police do it. "If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
Let the police have internet access to your e-mail and hard drive - they might find kiddie porn. Don't you want to Save The Children? Besides, "If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
Let the police register all guns, gun owners and take DNA samples. After all if it Saves Just One Life, isn't it worth it? Besides, "If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
The mindless bleating of the good little nazis just goes on and on. And they're all so eager to help...... :barf: :barf: :barf:
"Setting up stops might prevent a drunk driver from killing someone you love, or drug runners delivering a load to your town, the list goes on. If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
Random searches of homes might uncover a meth lab - let the police do it. "If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
Let the police have internet access to your e-mail and hard drive - they might find kiddie porn. Don't you want to Save The Children? Besides, "If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
Let the police register all guns, gun owners and take DNA samples. After all if it Saves Just One Life, isn't it worth it? Besides, "If you aint doing nothing wrong, why worry?"
The mindless bleating of the good little nazis just goes on and on. And they're all so eager to help...... :barf: :barf: :barf:
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