quickly hired by competing store
http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/c.../2005/12/30/schlesier.clerk.shoots.fired.affl
http://www.cnn.com/video/partners/c.../2005/12/30/schlesier.clerk.shoots.fired.affl
Clerk fired for having gun
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Mastrogiacomo
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Seems to me that the cops are still missing the point. "Let us do our jobs..." 
So...if they're not in the store at the time of the attempted armed robbery - then what? Good for him for packin and the new boss for hiring him. Nothing wrong with protecting your store and employees.
So...if they're not in the store at the time of the attempted armed robbery - then what? Good for him for packin and the new boss for hiring him. Nothing wrong with protecting your store and employees.Let me see---
The Clerk followed the robber AFTER he was leaving the store
When the robber turned, the Clerk fired two quick shots (if his gestures mean anything, he sure wasn't aiming). Where did those rounds go, as the BG was not hit.
Was he in fear of his life AFTER the robbery went down and he started chasing? If he had killed the BG at that point, would he be justified??
Now for the Police Chief---
Lots' of Convenience Store Robberies but he sees no reason for Clerks to be armed. What is he doing to reduce the robberies?
And lastly, the Store Owner that hired him---
Will he be as happy if his new Clerk takes a shot at another "Robber" and hits a bystander instead. Wonder what his insurance rates will be then (if he has any now, that is).
The Clerk followed the robber AFTER he was leaving the store
When the robber turned, the Clerk fired two quick shots (if his gestures mean anything, he sure wasn't aiming). Where did those rounds go, as the BG was not hit.
Was he in fear of his life AFTER the robbery went down and he started chasing? If he had killed the BG at that point, would he be justified??
Now for the Police Chief---
Lots' of Convenience Store Robberies but he sees no reason for Clerks to be armed. What is he doing to reduce the robberies?
And lastly, the Store Owner that hired him---
Will he be as happy if his new Clerk takes a shot at another "Robber" and hits a bystander instead. Wonder what his insurance rates will be then (if he has any now, that is).
Idol
One thing my CCW instructor made sure I never forgot: "In Defense of Life Only."
As much as I applaud this man for his courage, I still think he made a bad decision running out of the store in pursuit of the BG. Yes, adrenalin was hot in his blood, and sent him running after the robber. But psychological stress and its influence in split-second decision making is something we should all prepare for and train to handle; it comes with the responsiblity of carrying a firearm.
If the BG had started taking hostages or attacking people in the store, I'm sure the clerk would have stopped him -- and the people would be fortunate that there is brave civilian standing up for them in defense of life. However, that threat disappeared the moment the BG left the store. The clerk chased him for a different reason altogther, and I don't think it's because he was in fear of his life -- it was for the money.
One thing my CCW instructor made sure I never forgot: "In Defense of Life Only."
As much as I applaud this man for his courage, I still think he made a bad decision running out of the store in pursuit of the BG. Yes, adrenalin was hot in his blood, and sent him running after the robber. But psychological stress and its influence in split-second decision making is something we should all prepare for and train to handle; it comes with the responsiblity of carrying a firearm.
If the BG had started taking hostages or attacking people in the store, I'm sure the clerk would have stopped him -- and the people would be fortunate that there is brave civilian standing up for them in defense of life. However, that threat disappeared the moment the BG left the store. The clerk chased him for a different reason altogther, and I don't think it's because he was in fear of his life -- it was for the money.
(don't have a smilie for just a sad smile that isn't just a sad smile... hard to explain)......Yes Shortydog I realize I am on a pro-2nd Amendment/Gun Forum. After 40 + years of carrying one I also know what self defense is and what it is not. If someone IS robbing you you can empty all the rounds in your weapon into him as long as you don't stop to reload (the multiple rounds can be written off to the stress of the moment, a reload would be definite overkill). You can not, however, chase the robber and shoot him/her as the Self Defense aspect is now gone. You could be construed as the agressor. If you survive the initial encounter and the BG leaves, then let the cops do their job. Most of these mutts are dumb enough to try again and get caught in the act or lead law enforcement to their "lair". It is not your job.
Yes, he is a scumbag for choosing the life of crime but if YOU are convicted of some level of homicide for killing him (like you might have by chasing him down) you might find it very difficult getting a peaceful nights sleep while serving the time. Bubba and his friends might have a few parties planned for you in the evening.
Yes, he is a scumbag for choosing the life of crime but if YOU are convicted of some level of homicide for killing him (like you might have by chasing him down) you might find it very difficult getting a peaceful nights sleep while serving the time. Bubba and his friends might have a few parties planned for you in the evening.
I could not watch the video so I don't know where this happened, but in PA, any citizen is legally allowed to effect an arrest of another if the suspect committed a felony in thier presense. They can use any force reasonably necessary to effect that arrest. Said citizen is legally allowed to persue the suspect and use said force as long as they are in fresh persut of the suspect. From reading the other posts here, it sounds as if he was.
In other words, if you see someone commit a felony, chase them to "arrest" them, and they pull a gun on you, I believe you would be justified in shooting them because you were acting within the law and the suspect threatened, by drawing the gun, to shoot you. FWIW, I am not saying to just shoot someone if they commited a felony with a firearm and are running, but from the sounds of it, in PA it would have been justified.
In other words, if you see someone commit a felony, chase them to "arrest" them, and they pull a gun on you, I believe you would be justified in shooting them because you were acting within the law and the suspect threatened, by drawing the gun, to shoot you. FWIW, I am not saying to just shoot someone if they commited a felony with a firearm and are running, but from the sounds of it, in PA it would have been justified.
SWMike, if they are still coming and I have a 2nd mag, they are going to have a worse day than it already turned out to be for them. I won't stop just because my current magazine is empty. Stop the threat, worry about the law later.
I do think the choice of following the robber out of the store was STUPID, but this is not why they stated he was fired. That is why I posted this. He was fired for simply CARRYING the gun.
I do think the choice of following the robber out of the store was STUPID, but this is not why they stated he was fired. That is why I posted this. He was fired for simply CARRYING the gun.
The law is diffrent in every state. You should be aware of the law of the state that you are in and really think about what you are doing. In some states if you are not a LEO then it is not permissable to use deadly force once the suspect is fleeing or you are not in fear for your life. Some states say that you must retreat untill you can not retreat any longer before you use deadly force even if it is in your home. I do not feel sorry for someone who robs and gets shot I do feel sorry for the poor guy that shot him and will end up in court!
Know the law of the state you are in...................
Know the law of the state you are in...................
Mannlicher
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I see goofy stuff on all sides of the issue here.
2 nd chance?
My .02 worth. He managed to survive the first encounter why chase him down to try your luck again with nothing to gain. It's not HIS money, he IS NOT carrying a badge to go along with the gun. If forced to exchange fire inside the store and as stated before in some of the responces do so. If this clown wants to chase BG's he should apply and if accepted become a member of LE. Sounds to me the man has more balls than brains.
My .02 worth. He managed to survive the first encounter why chase him down to try your luck again with nothing to gain. It's not HIS money, he IS NOT carrying a badge to go along with the gun. If forced to exchange fire inside the store and as stated before in some of the responces do so. If this clown wants to chase BG's he should apply and if accepted become a member of LE. Sounds to me the man has more balls than brains.
Chasing BG's
Twycross, going on your thought that he is responseable for the money, should a bank teller give chase after the bank is held up and to take it another step should the bank V.P. or Pres. give chase being that they too are accountable for the money. I think not and let us ass u me that all the above mentioned are CCWP. Sorry but I'm still saying he was wrong for giving chase.
Twycross, going on your thought that he is responseable for the money, should a bank teller give chase after the bank is held up and to take it another step should the bank V.P. or Pres. give chase being that they too are accountable for the money. I think not and let us ass u me that all the above mentioned are CCWP. Sorry but I'm still saying he was wrong for giving chase.