civil disobediance in CANADA of all places!

Brett Bellmore

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Ok, tell me why this isn't happening HERE! www.nationalreview.com/comment/comment080200a.shtml

Civil Disobedience in Canada
On guns, it's not an oxymoron.
By Dave Kopel, http://www.davekopel.com director, and Dr. Paul Gallant & Dr. Joanne Eisen, research associates, from the Independence Institute http://independenceinstitute.org

One doesn't expect to hear the words "civil disobedience" and "Canada" in the same sentence. It seems as unlikely as hearing "the French people" juxtaposed with "humble," or reading "the Russian government" on the same page as "honest." Nevertheless, the Liberal Party government of Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chrétien has provoked what may be the largest, and longest-sustained, civil disobedience in Canadian history.

Since 1977, Canada has licensed long-gun owners, and most Canadian gun owners have complied with the licensing system. Gun registration, however, has always been different. A government effort to register long guns in 1940, under the pretext of World War II, never got more than one-third of the gun supply registered, and was abandoned in 1945.

Having failed at universal gun registration in the 1940s, the Canadian government has now returned to the enterprise. As of January 1, 2001, all firearms in a person's possession must be accounted for by a registration certificate.

So far, however, considerably fewer than a third of all Canadian rifles and shotguns have been registered, so that the final registration figures might not even match the weak showing of the 1940 law. Today, in fact, Canadian gun owners are going considerably further than the quiet decision their ancestors made to ignore the 1940 law. R. Bruce Hutton — formerly an officer of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, Canada's national police force — has formed the Law-Abiding Unregistered Firearms Association http://www.lufa.ca. (LUFA). Hutton has been traveling throughout Canada urging non-compliance with the new Firearms Act, and exhorting fellow gun-owners, "Come to jail with me."

More than twenty thousand Canadian gun-owners had taken Hutton up on his challenge — openly declaring their intent to disobey the law by not complying with registration. Hutton's anger has clearly resonated among fellow Canadians, proving that an ordinary man can make an extraordinary difference.
When January 1, 2001, rolls around, LUFA's members are prepared to stand unarmed in front of RCMP offices and submit, as felons, to their 5-year prison terms. LUFA's projected membership by that time will be enough to overwhelm an already strained Canadian criminal-justice system.

Hundreds of thousands of other Canadian gun-owners have made known their intent to delay registration until the last possible moment. Their forms will arrive all together in the last few weeks, throwing the entire bureaucracy into disarray.

Indeed, the registration bureaucracy is already acknowledged as a disaster by independent observers. The registry was promised to cost $120 million dollars (Canadian), but has already cost approximately $325 million. The central government has worked hard to keep taxpayers from obtaining the government documents that detail the full costs, and even to prevent taxpayers from finding out how many civil servants and police officers are working on the gun registry.

The provincial governments of Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba have dumped both the administration and the enforcement of all federal gun-control laws (including the laws preceding the registration law) right back into Ottawa's lap, and announced that they will refuse to enforce any federal gun controls.

Why are our usually obedient neighbors to the North so feisty?

One reason is they have realized that gun registration really does lead to confiscation. Handguns have been registered in Canada since 1934, and for decades, the Canadian government only used the registration records for innocent purposes. But shortly after winning election in November 1993, the new Chrétien government imposed an administrative decree banning over half of all handguns. The current registered owners may retain the guns until they die, and then the guns must be surrendered to the government. No compensation will be paid for the confiscation.

The gun-registration law, Bill C-68, gave the government the authority to confiscate any and all rifles and shotguns, whenever it wishes — a fact which Canada's National Firearms Association http://www.nfa.ca has been busily publicizing. Registration this year is plainly a step towards confiscation a few years from now.

Why is the Liberal Party pushing for registration so resolutely, even as the registration law drives so many Canadians — especially on the prairie — away from the Liberal Party?

Public safety has nothing to do with it. The Justice Department worked diligently to suppress an independent research report — which had been commissioned by the Justice Department — that showed the 1977 gun-owner licensing law had been a failure.
One motive for registration is simply a crass — although perhaps mistaken — political calculation http://www.saf.org/journal/10_politics.html that there are more urban female votes to be gained by attacking "masculine" culture than there are rural male votes to be lost. Indeed, polling research of Canadian gun-control supporters shows them to be almost perfectly ignorant of Canada's already-strict gun-control laws; their main motive for wanting more gun control is not the expectation that people will be safer, but their desire to express their antipathy for "macho" values http://www.saf.org/journal9_work.html.
Addressing the 11th Annual Community Legal Education Associations conference in January 1996, Senator Sharon Carstairs made a telling admission when she thought no one else was listening: The new Firearms Act was intended, from the outset, to be integral to her party's plans to "socially re-engineer Canada." Guns are favored by rural males, and are associated with self-reliance, and are therefore contrary to the Liberal Party's desire for a feminized and dependent nation.

In short, Canadian gun control is a sort of slow-motion hate crime, perpetrated by the government. The real purpose is to harm a minority whom the government dislikes. In the United States, one need only attend a few anti-gun rallies — especially rallies put on by the dishonestly named Million Mom March — to find plenty of anti-gun activists http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/20000801_xex_million_mom_.shtml for whom hatred is obviously the guiding value.

The Canadian nation has always prided itself on tolerance. The mean-spirited intolerance that animates Canada's anti-gun-owner laws is helping many Canadians understand something that some of their British ancestors figured out back in 1215 with King John and the Magna Carta: There comes a time when a man who loves his country must tell his government, "Stop. Not one bit further."


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Sic semper tyrannis!



[This message has been edited by Brett Bellmore (edited August 02, 2000).]
 
Well now, isn't that interesting?

Hopefully we Americans can learn from the Canadians misfortune, and take action to avoid same.

And an officer of the national police force, of all people, leading the fight.

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
Joel: Actually, that sort of thing was one of the most effective tactics used during the civil rights movement. And that's what WE are, a civil rights movement. Why SHOULDN'T we adopt their strategies? You show up in huge numbers, visibly violating the law, and they CAN'T arrest you because they don't have the resources to handle that many people! So the folks who agree with you, but are a little chicken, realize that the law isn't going to be enforced, and gain the courage to violate it themselves. Eventually the opposition has to either give up, or get brutal. If they take the latter course, THAT'S when you resort to violent self defense;

Sure, I agree that at this point we'd be morally justified in putting a bullet through the head of half the members of Congress, but it's important that the public SEE the other side resorting to violence against peacefull protesters; It helps to morally de-legitimize the enemy, and this is far more of a public relations battle than a military one, at this point.

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
I think twenty thousand Canadians decending on the capital en masse, armed to the teeth and then not committing any crimes would be a much more effective statement....

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 
Go for it, Canadian Gun Owners! It warms my heart to see that somebody is not just going to lie there and take it!

Has anyone suggested to the NRA that an American gun owner's boycott of Canadian goods and services might help show support for our pals to the North? Shall I burn my Bryan Adams and Celine Dion CDs? Refuse to patronize bars that serve Molson and Labatt's?

IF I were a woman I would want to have R. Bruce Hutton's baby! That wouldn't be difficult because former Mountie Hutton obviously has huge and powerful cojones. "Come to jail with me!" What a slogan! If they have to jail 2/3 of Canada's gun owners it will totally bust the system.
 
Dangus: But that statement would be OH, so easy to "twist", wouldn't it? For one thing, once the army turned out and massecred those 20,000 gun owners, who'd be left alive to contradict the government's claim that they were an attacking army, not peaceful protesters?

Civil war, which is what this is, is as much or more a battle for the heart and soul of public opinion, than it is a military fight. Indeed, so long as the government remains somewhat democratic, the public relations battle is what you really need to win, because then YOU control the army! So the goal is to make the public see the advocates of gun control as what they are, vicious, murderous oppressors. Regrettably, you don't do that by lining them up against a wall and shooting them, you do that by defying them peacefully and GETTING lined up against a wall and shot! Provoking the government to commit atrocities has always been a component of revolutionary guerrilla forces, you know.

Lufa wins one of two ways with this peaceful protest. Either the government does NOT attack them, in which case Canada's gun owners see that it's safe to defy the government on this, and enforcement becomes impossible. Or the government DOES attack peaceful protestors, in which case the government loses the propaganda battle, and Lufa wins the next election. But it is absolutely essential to make it as difficult as possible for the government to paint the protestors as violent and dangerous lunatics who had to be put down with force. Unfortunately, in this particular circumstance that means going unarmed.

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Sic semper tyrannis!
 
This may go deeper than we realize. I haven't spent any appreciable time in Canda to speak of since the 70’s but at that time, at least in the province of New Brunswick, if a head of household was incarcerated, the government was responsible for the support of his family which included delivering food and firewood to the family for the duration of the incarceration.
If that is still the case, that would have even more of a devastating effect on their economy than just the expense of jailing citizens.
 
Civil Disbediance is an action whose time has come. Especially in States like California, Mass., and NY.

I'm in CA and I will stand with fellow gun owners.

For this to work, we have to break the state down by court districts. Organize along those lines, and refuse to comply.

Until then, I am faxing, calling, and writing my butt off.

madison46
 
Regarding civil disobedience - it doesn't have to be limited to people living in a certain state.

A good portion of our own civil rights movement consisted of workers who moved from state to state violating the unjust laws in each state. This same method can work in the U.S. as well.

In this instance, people living in pro-RKBA states could travel to California and violate registration laws (No! Don't take my Lorcin!) en masse along with California residents. Of course, that could mean losing your FFL, CCW, or even your right to own firearms under the current laws.
 
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