Chronograph arrived

MightyMO1911

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So I ordered a chronograph from Graf's and it arrived today. It is capable of plus or minus 1% accuracy and will calculate extreme spread, stadard deviation and average. Couple of questions.

1. Any tips or tricks would be helpful.
2. What information am I looking for with it and how do I decifer what this information is telling me?
 
Since it appears that I am the first one to reply, I'll jam my response in quick. None of the other responses will be anything like this one! :p:D

Royal PITA, these things. I have the Chrony Beta Master and when it comes to measuring the speed of a bullet flying over it, I must say that it seems to do a fine job. But in many other ways, it just plain SUCKS out loud.

Worst thing about it is the interface. The big old red "Merlin" game I had when I was 8 years old had a better and more flexible, more intuitive interface. This little Chrony unit has the computing powder exceeding some third world nations but -YOU- get the pleasure of trying to manipulate that power with three push buttons. Horrendous.

One of the very best uses for a chronograph is to computer Standard Deviation and I won't attempt to explain what SD is because I can barely grasp the concept myself. But in basic terms, it is a number that "suggests" how likely the next shot will be right in the middle with all the others in velocity.

Many chrono users have expressed the idea that some loads with comparatively lousy SD's can still end up being decent loads, but typically -- loads with great SD's (a low number compared to others) will return great results pretty much all the time.

Here lies my #2 complaint with the entire Chrony line:
The very, very best way to shake out SD for a load is to shoot many of them and determine the results. If the results are good, the very, VERY best way to dig further in to SD is to use a larger sample size, as even the most basic scientist would do in -ANY- test.

But no Chrony on the market will ever allow you to do that, limiting you to -10- shots and no more.

If you were working on a drug to cure cancer and you had a box of ten mice with cancer and you injected the drug in to all of them and three of them experienced a full cure, what's the next step? HINT: it's not "start packaging the drug for sale." The next step would be to test 50 mice. Maybe a hundred. If the results continue on a similar trajectory, maybe you'd do a thousand or more.

I'm not saying we should be putting 250 test shots of the same load over a chrono, but being limited to 10 is ludicrous on a little unit with enough computing power to do a hostile corporate takeover.

The Chrony that I have does a fine job of measuring a bullet that flies over it. But it only goes to the range with me once or twice a year. My method has been to develop loads the exact same way I had over the last 23 years BEFORE getting a chrono, and not trying to use the stupid box to help me develop a load. Now, I simply use the stupid box to report back to me how fast the bullet is going, for informational purposes only.

And it didn't take long to notice that owning and using one of these stupid little devices seriously made me want to chase velocities that I otherwise had NO PARTICULAR REASON TO CHASE except to see what I could come up with. Which, in itself is a fine end-goal if that's what you want to do, but ended up being just a game to me.

For sure, if you are a long distance rifle shooter and you NEED to know velocity for the purpose of bullet drop, you need a chrono for this work. And if you are a competition handgun shooter and you simply have to ensure that you make a certain power factor with a minimum bullet speed, it's necessary.

Me?
I'm a guy that loads 20,000 rounds a year across over 20 different calibers. And if/when I put a nice, big hole through my Chrony (most believe every chrono will eventually take a bullet), I can guarantee that I will not buy another Chrony... and there is a good chance that I won't buy -ANY- replacement chronograph.

One thing that constantly rubs me the wrong way are folks that tell other handloaders that they "need" a chronograph and hint that it is a required tool for making good, or safe (or both) ammo, and that is pure rubbish, plain and simple.
 
One thing that constantly rubs me the wrong way are folks that tell other
handloaders that they "need" a chronograph and hint that it is a required
tool for making good, or safe (or both) ammo, and that is pure rubbish,
plain and simple.
And there, my friend, you and I will disagree big time.

Ref Manual, ...QuickLoad, ...and Oehler
Without which one is whistling in the dark
 
Your mention of a larger sample size makes perfect sense. If I read the book on this one correctly, mine will store 9 strings of 99 shots each. So if after I shoot, say, six shots and generally like the results, would a larger sample of 50 be sufficient?
 
extreme spread, standard deviation and average.

Extreme spread,
the difference between your slowest & fastest round of the "string". It's a measure of how inconsistent your load is. Smaller is better. It will vary a little from cartridge to cartridge so you can only really compare within a specific caliber.

Standard deviation,
A statistically calculated value. The number is in FPS & is the average difference between successive shots.
Example: You have a load doing a 2,000FPS average velocity, the SD is 23. Each round should be (statistically) within 23 FPS of both its neighbors. Round 1 is 1977, round 2 is 2000 & round 3 is 2023. ES for that 3-round string would be 46. Again lower is better, 25 is considered "good" in general, but some cartridge designs will get you down into the 12~15 range.

Average,
the average velocity of the string. from the example above 2000 FPS You'd log this as the "velocity" for the string.

Tips:
Without knowing the model this gets tough as they all have individual quirks. but here's a few generic ones.

Don't shoot your screens! (it happens):(
common causes:
Scope too powerful & high above bore,
try to back power way, way off. Test with a bit of cardboard taped to a tomato stick with a dot on it at the same distance away as the "START" screen will be. Aim at the dot & fire a round, see how much lower your round is & add that above the imaginary bullseye.

Wacky readings:
Shot 1 = 1250 fps
Shot 2 = 13 fps
Shot 3 = 2350 fps
Your sensors are misreading the shock pulse & blast as well as the bullet & getting confused. Put a card screen in front of the "START" screen with a small (1") hole. Shoot the bullet through the hole.

Always have a spare battery with you. The one day you don't it WILL die.

Start some kind of record keeping NOW, you won't want to play catchup later.
:cool:
 
I too, use little wraps of blue tape on the diffuser sticks to show where to put the crosswires of my scope, helps reduce the number of bullet grooves on the top of the unit...:D
 
I pretty much echo what others have said. I have the Alpha Master Chrony and generally am pleased with it's performance. The biggest issue is obtaining the best outdoor lighting. I've come to realize don't even bother setting up my crono if 1) low morning sunlight , 2) late day sunlight 3) passing clouds/sun 4) dark overcast. Mine works best in brighter overcast or consistent sunlight. I spend careful patient time setting up my crono position so as to not shoot the rods.
 
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