I REALIZE THAT SOME OF YOU MAY THINK THIS POST IS OUT OF PLACE BUT THIS IS THE LEGAL AND POLITICAL FORUM.THE PNTR DEAL BEING PUSHED,IF ENACTED,WILL BE THE GREATEST TRAGEDY FOR THE AMERICAN WORKER EVER.THE PROPONENTS OF THIS DEAL,WHO ARE MOSTLY REPUBLICANS INCLUDING GW BUSH,SAY THAT THIS DEAL WILL OPEN UP MARKETS TO AMERICAN GOODS AND SERVICES.THIS IS A BALD FACE LIE!!!THE ONLY THING THIS DEAL DOES IS,BY ITS DEFINITION,GRANT"PERMANENT NORMALIZED"MOST FAVORED NATIONS STATUS TO CHINA.THIS MEANS THAT THE STATUS OF THIS COMMUNIST SLAVE LABOR COUNTRY IN THE MFN CAN NEVER BE REVOKED.CHINESE WORKERS ARE PAID AN AVERAGE OF 13 DOLLARS FOR 100 HRS.OF LABOR.WHAT KIND OF MARKET IS THIS FOR AMERICAN GOODS?THE ONLY ENTITIES THAT WOULD BENIFIT FROM THIS DEAL ARE THE CORPORATIONS THAT WOULD PULL UP FROM THE U.S AND MOVE THIER MANUFACTURING OPERATIONS OVER THERE.I THINK THAT WE HAVE ALL SEEN EXAMPLES OF WHAT THE N.A.F.T.A HAS DONE TOO THE COUNTRY.FACTORIES CLOSE EVERY DAY AND WORKERS ARE PUT OUT ON THE STREET IN THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE OF THIS "FREE TRADE DEAL".OUR TRADE DEFEICT IS NOW AT AROUND 13 BILLION AND GROWING.THIS DEAL WITH CHINA WILL DWARF N.A.F.T.A IN THIS CATAGORY.I STRONGLY URGE EVERYONE TO WRITE OR BETTER YET CALL YOUR REPS.AND VOICE STRONG OPPOSITION TO THIS DEAL.ASK THEM TO POINT TO ONE BENIFIT THAT WE AS A NATION HAVE GARNERED FROM N.A.F.T.A.THEY CANT!!!HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THE TREND TOWARD BI-LINGUIAL PACKAGING OF MOST ANY PRODUCT YOU PURCHASE?THIS IS AN EFFORT I BELIEVE TO PANDER TOO THE GROWING POPULATION OF ILLEGAL ALIENS FROM MEXICO.WHY WOULD A COMPANY INCUR THIS EXTRA EXPENSE UNLESS THEY KNEW THAT THIS POPULATION WAS GOING TO BE ALLOWED TO FLOURISH AND EXPAND?THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP IN THIS CHINA DEAL I BELIEVE!!ACT NOW BEFORE THIS DEAL IS PUT INTO PLACE.ONCE IT IS ON THE BOOKS THERE WILL BE NO TURNING TURNING BACK!!!
CHINA TRADE DEAL!!!!
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Jim.......You MUST stop thinking. It will only make you angry.
You must go to Wal-Mart and buy some more geegaws made in china. I'll bet you don't even own a glow in the dark pot holder yet.
What we REALLY need is a lightning fast chinese direct rocket route so they could make hamburgers over there and we could fire what's left of the American workers.
Anyone who buys China goods is a traitor.
You must go to Wal-Mart and buy some more geegaws made in china. I'll bet you don't even own a glow in the dark pot holder yet.
What we REALLY need is a lightning fast chinese direct rocket route so they could make hamburgers over there and we could fire what's left of the American workers.
Anyone who buys China goods is a traitor.
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They already have a new embassy in the U.S.. It's at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue .
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When talking to our reps and sens, let us not fail to properly identify COMMUNIST CHINA, lest our leaders in their profound confusion think we mean Taiwan.
Since Communist China's exports are handled by their military, stands to reason that every buck that goes their way helps them strengthen their capability to nuke us along with other countries that they threaten.
Also, let us not forget that the poor Communist Chinese probably need lots of bucks to support their huge new base in the Bahamas; and Long Beach, and Panama, and Wash D.C. etc etc.
Folkbabe...lot of good pacifism did the people of Tibet, they lost their history, identity and many of their people to the armed Communist China.
Since Communist China's exports are handled by their military, stands to reason that every buck that goes their way helps them strengthen their capability to nuke us along with other countries that they threaten.
Also, let us not forget that the poor Communist Chinese probably need lots of bucks to support their huge new base in the Bahamas; and Long Beach, and Panama, and Wash D.C. etc etc.
Folkbabe...lot of good pacifism did the people of Tibet, they lost their history, identity and many of their people to the armed Communist China.
Dear Lavan,
I honestly believe that you should take Jim F's warning most seriously and that you are very wrong to be poaking fun at him;
of couse that is only my opinion, there could be a 40% chance of my being wrong because I dont possess all the info.
Do you remember back in oct.99 when the
Communist Chinese threated to nuke the USA if
we interfered with the susposed take over of Tiwain by Red China?
I missed how that problem was resolved;
that is, to ask if it ever was resolved.
Do you think Comrade Klintinov might have offered Red CHina permaninate normalized most favored nation trade status
so that Red China would back down in Tiwain?
I dont know what happened, as I said above, but once we give the Red Chinese
permanent ,normalized ,most favored nation
trading status then just what will we do or give them the next time China starts acting up and steps out of line?
This reminds me of what england & europe did with Hitler in WW2.
They tried to buy off Hitler and Hitler took everything that they gave him and keept
right on going after them until all of Europe and England were engaged and then the USA got pulled into it through our various international defense pacts and well ,the
rest is history.
Why am I worried that those who refuse to attend to the lessons of history are bound to repeat the same mistakes over again?
I see the USA in the same weak position
the the USA was back in 1939, when the US had
not paid attention to its military supplies and forces and had neither trained fighting men or planes , tanks ,guns, ammo,or ships
suficcient to deter Hitler or the Japaneese.
I see Comrade Klintonov close down are armed forces bases and discharge our trained soldiers and not replace them with new troops and not reopen the mothballed bases.
I see our tommahawk and cruise missles shot off at Bagdad and Kovoso and none replaced.
I see the US arsenel's 90 % empty, and the 10 % remaining being not in working order
or it too would have been used up in Kosovo.
I see Comrade Klintonov treating the USA
military like a 1985 Chevy Junker, just driving the crap out of it until it gets so very bad as to require complete replacement
instead of repairing and manitaining it so that it might remain usable in case of dire need.
And when the whipped horse finally dies,
I see Comrade Klintinov walking away laughing
at us in Nov 2000, knowing he left us with a military in nearly complete colapse.
And I see Red China sensing our weakness
and awaiting the best moment to strike.
And I pray to God that I am full of
manure about all of this and at the same time I am scared to death that I am right.
Now I just read today that Comrade Klintonov,
has de-activated all the USA necular arms and signed a treaty to Unilateral Necular Disarmament.
This is an already done thing,
the US nukes have had their uranium and plutonium removed and the launch programs
deleated from the launch computers.
Before this, Comrade Klintonov had given orders to launch upon necular detonation on US soil downgrading firing orders from launch upon confirmed detection of incoming nukes.
And to add the icing on the cake, Comrade Klintonov is doing his damedest to insure that the American people--the minuteman of
history-- the US militia to which all Americans belong and our last and most desperate line of defense --That This too
be disarmed.
And at this he has somewhat failed and has been somewhat slowed down, thanks to the diligence of the true American Patriots in the NRA,GOA,Citizens of America ,RKBA,JPFO
TFL,Tynary Response Team.
The Red Chinese are in an excellent position to invade the USA, right through the gulf coast,Liousiana,FLA and up the Missippi
Valley with another thrust comming from the Red Chinese base in Calif. where again, as
many law abiding americans have been disarmed
by Comrade Klintonovs gun grabbers as possible.
Does anyone remember the movie "RED DAWN"
It is a good plan for the invasion of
Americia.
And I sincerely hope that true American patriots do not have to fight the likes of
Jack Booted Thugs to retain the weapons of self defense which may be later required to repel the Red Chinese invasion and keep our nation free.
Anybody know where I can learn to speak Chinese??
I honestly believe that you should take Jim F's warning most seriously and that you are very wrong to be poaking fun at him;
of couse that is only my opinion, there could be a 40% chance of my being wrong because I dont possess all the info.
Do you remember back in oct.99 when the
Communist Chinese threated to nuke the USA if
we interfered with the susposed take over of Tiwain by Red China?
I missed how that problem was resolved;
that is, to ask if it ever was resolved.
Do you think Comrade Klintinov might have offered Red CHina permaninate normalized most favored nation trade status
so that Red China would back down in Tiwain?
I dont know what happened, as I said above, but once we give the Red Chinese
permanent ,normalized ,most favored nation
trading status then just what will we do or give them the next time China starts acting up and steps out of line?
This reminds me of what england & europe did with Hitler in WW2.
They tried to buy off Hitler and Hitler took everything that they gave him and keept
right on going after them until all of Europe and England were engaged and then the USA got pulled into it through our various international defense pacts and well ,the
rest is history.
Why am I worried that those who refuse to attend to the lessons of history are bound to repeat the same mistakes over again?
I see the USA in the same weak position
the the USA was back in 1939, when the US had
not paid attention to its military supplies and forces and had neither trained fighting men or planes , tanks ,guns, ammo,or ships
suficcient to deter Hitler or the Japaneese.
I see Comrade Klintonov close down are armed forces bases and discharge our trained soldiers and not replace them with new troops and not reopen the mothballed bases.
I see our tommahawk and cruise missles shot off at Bagdad and Kovoso and none replaced.
I see the US arsenel's 90 % empty, and the 10 % remaining being not in working order
or it too would have been used up in Kosovo.
I see Comrade Klintonov treating the USA
military like a 1985 Chevy Junker, just driving the crap out of it until it gets so very bad as to require complete replacement
instead of repairing and manitaining it so that it might remain usable in case of dire need.
And when the whipped horse finally dies,
I see Comrade Klintinov walking away laughing
at us in Nov 2000, knowing he left us with a military in nearly complete colapse.
And I see Red China sensing our weakness
and awaiting the best moment to strike.
And I pray to God that I am full of
manure about all of this and at the same time I am scared to death that I am right.
Now I just read today that Comrade Klintonov,
has de-activated all the USA necular arms and signed a treaty to Unilateral Necular Disarmament.
This is an already done thing,
the US nukes have had their uranium and plutonium removed and the launch programs
deleated from the launch computers.
Before this, Comrade Klintonov had given orders to launch upon necular detonation on US soil downgrading firing orders from launch upon confirmed detection of incoming nukes.
And to add the icing on the cake, Comrade Klintonov is doing his damedest to insure that the American people--the minuteman of
history-- the US militia to which all Americans belong and our last and most desperate line of defense --That This too
be disarmed.
And at this he has somewhat failed and has been somewhat slowed down, thanks to the diligence of the true American Patriots in the NRA,GOA,Citizens of America ,RKBA,JPFO
TFL,Tynary Response Team.
The Red Chinese are in an excellent position to invade the USA, right through the gulf coast,Liousiana,FLA and up the Missippi
Valley with another thrust comming from the Red Chinese base in Calif. where again, as
many law abiding americans have been disarmed
by Comrade Klintonovs gun grabbers as possible.
Does anyone remember the movie "RED DAWN"
It is a good plan for the invasion of
Americia.
And I sincerely hope that true American patriots do not have to fight the likes of
Jack Booted Thugs to retain the weapons of self defense which may be later required to repel the Red Chinese invasion and keep our nation free.
Anybody know where I can learn to speak Chinese??
I like to think of it as "constructive criticism". 
I agree with the basic premise that the PMFN (or whatever it's called now) is not the right thing to do. I have very different reasons for thinking that than many of the people here but I was trying to offer to a "comrade" a little advice on how to make his arguements more effective. I don't think this board is a place for me to get into an arguement with C.R. Sam et al plus I think that would be counter-productive. We need to continue to form coalitions over this issue and if that means ignoring ideological differences for a time so be it.
Ok, so now I'll make my presence on this thread productive. How many people have already written their congresspeople over this? How many people were at the AFL-CIO protest on April 12th over the China deal and how many will be willing to come out to a protest at another point? If people want arguements to write their congresspeople with other than the ones seen here you can go to http://www.commondreams.org/views/052200-106.htm or http://www.zmag.org probably has stuff. WARNING - No, you're not going to like those sites if you agree with the posters here over the reasons for protesting the deal.
I agree with the basic premise that the PMFN (or whatever it's called now) is not the right thing to do. I have very different reasons for thinking that than many of the people here but I was trying to offer to a "comrade" a little advice on how to make his arguements more effective. I don't think this board is a place for me to get into an arguement with C.R. Sam et al plus I think that would be counter-productive. We need to continue to form coalitions over this issue and if that means ignoring ideological differences for a time so be it.Ok, so now I'll make my presence on this thread productive. How many people have already written their congresspeople over this? How many people were at the AFL-CIO protest on April 12th over the China deal and how many will be willing to come out to a protest at another point? If people want arguements to write their congresspeople with other than the ones seen here you can go to http://www.commondreams.org/views/052200-106.htm or http://www.zmag.org probably has stuff. WARNING - No, you're not going to like those sites if you agree with the posters here over the reasons for protesting the deal.
Shin-Tao: Ease up on folkbabe, she's a senior member now. 
The Chinese bought and paid for this in illegal campaign money. Why China and not Cuba? Hasn't NAFTA taught us anything?
The argument that new markets will open up for U.S. goods ignores what Jim F.(welcome to TFL, by the way) pointed out: people who make $13 for 100 hours work can't buy a dishwasher or refrigerator made in the USA. The trade balance can only be worsened by this.
This bill is obviously bad for the American people, but will be enacted because it is desired by American corporations. Wealth drives national political decisions, not fairness or rationality.
The Chinese bought and paid for this in illegal campaign money. Why China and not Cuba? Hasn't NAFTA taught us anything?
The argument that new markets will open up for U.S. goods ignores what Jim F.(welcome to TFL, by the way) pointed out: people who make $13 for 100 hours work can't buy a dishwasher or refrigerator made in the USA. The trade balance can only be worsened by this.
This bill is obviously bad for the American people, but will be enacted because it is desired by American corporations. Wealth drives national political decisions, not fairness or rationality.