China getting into the "Blue Helmit War Games" deal?

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Is this China getting some real-war experiance for her soldiers??? WTF?

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China puts '700,000 troops' on Sudan alert
By Christina Lamb, Diplomatic Correspondent

TENS of thousands of Chinese troops and prisoners forced to
work as security guards have been moved into Sudan.

They have been sent in preparation for a
big offensive against southern rebels to try
to bring to an end one of Africa's
longest-running conflicts, according to
Western counter-terrorism officials.The
Chinese have been brought in by aircraft
and ship, ostensibly to guard Sudan's
increasingly productive oilfields in which
the China National Petroleum Corporation
is a leading partner.

Col Johnny Garang's Sudan People's
Liberation Army (SPLA) has managed in
recent weeks to advance within 10 miles of the oilfields in the
Upper Nile region, causing the country's Islamic regime to
activate emergency plans drawn up with allies whose interests
in the oil project are directly under threat.

These plans aim to crush the rebels from the mainly Christian
and animist south and bring to an end the 17-year civil war
that has cost an estimated two million lives. Since oil
production began last year arms have been arriving from Libya,
Qatar and China. The ruling National Islamic Front (NIF) is
spending £300 million a year of its oil revenues on weapons,
according to western intelligence sources.

The NIF denies this charge but last month Gen Mohamed
Osman Yassin, the Sudanese army spokesman, told student
conscripts that "thanks to our growing oil industry" Sudan is
now "manufacturing ammunition, mortars, tanks and
armoured personnel carriers". The SPLA captured a group of
Chinese in an attack last week.

An internal document from the Sudanese military said that as
many as 700,000 Chinese security personnel were available for
action. Three flights a week have been taking the Chinese into
Sudan since work on the oilfields started three years ago.
Diplomats in Khartoum, however, cast doubt on the numbers.

Baroness Caroline Cox, the leading human rights campaigner
who has just returned from Sudan where she helped to free 353
slaves captured by NIF soldiers, yesterday accused western
governments of turning a blind eye to what is going on because
of their own economic interests in the oil.

She warned: "If with foreign help the NIF regime crushes all
opposition we will have entrenched in the heart of Africa a
militant Islamist regime aimed at spreading terrorism
throughout the continent. It's unbelievably serious for the
future of democracy in Africa and could happen in the next few
weeks."

She was particularly critical of the British Government. Last
month it welcomed the Sudanese foreign minister on a visit
even although Sudan is still technically under United Nations
sanctions that ban such visits, and officially is still regarded as a
pariah state. She said: "The British Government has developed
a complete cosy relationship to a regime which is raping,
bombing and taking its people into slavery. It doesn't fit at all
with our so-called ethical foreign policy, and there is no
question the shift has come because of the oil."

Two British companies have won contracts to build pumping
stations on the 1,000-mile pipeline from the Heglig oilfield, in
the war-torn south, to the Red Sea. British oil companies have
also discussed investing in the Sudanese oil industry, described
in a Department of Trade and Industry pamphlet this year as "a
tremendous opportunity".

The Canadian multi-national Talisman Energy, the main
backer of the pipeline with the Chinese and Malaysians
national oil companies, has faced public outcry over its
involvement. Reports that thousands of civilians have been
killed and driven from their homes in order to secure the
oilfields have led North American consumers to boycott petrol
stations, and pension funds to sell shares.

There has been so much criticism that America imposed
economic sanctions on Sudan's oil enterprise. The mission was
told that Talisman's contractual obligation more or less
provides that the oilfield facilities can be used for military
purposes. A UN rapporteur told the mission: "If oil companies
don't know what's going on they're not looking over the fences
of their compounds."

As fighting has escalated in recent months, the NIF has
stepped up attacks on civilian targets. Yesterday Washington
condemned the raids on civilian and relief targets including
schools, hospitals and feeding stations. According to the SPLA,
five such attacks took place last week, making it impossible for
agencies to deliver aid.

A Western aid worker in southern Sudan said: "Everyone
knows what is going on. We've all seen the Chinese being
brought in and can only pray about what's going to happen
next."

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This could be training for their eventual participation in the "stabilization" of North Korea.
When N.K. finaly cracks, the PLA will rush in to keep the peace. And keep new territory.

Much of the territory will be given back to South Korea in exchange for a behind the scenes agreement. This agreement is partialy in existance already.

When a Pacific war erupts, I do not believe we will have S.Korea to back us up.
 
How much different is this, really, from the U.S. pushing Iraq back from Kuwait to protect our oil interests?



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Quite a bit actually. The Sudanese rebels have been fighting because of some pretty nasty persecution by their Muslim neighbors. I have looked into this whole mess a fair amount and am suprised a rebellion didn't happen earlier. As to what the hell China is doing there, that just baffles me. I hope Africans unite and throw them into the sea, but they probably won't.

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Does Col. Johnny wear a blue turbin? NATO blue, God protect us all! Could Nostradamus have been right. Too much for a pea-brained SOB to comprehend. Africa to the mid-east... jumpin-jehosephat! Naughty USP45, stop doing this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Well, this is a big surprise...really. honest.

Anyone hear about the Chinese troops in Mexico...something to do with NAFTA?

And that the Chinese control the Panama Canal....remember-it was 'given' back to the Panamanians this year. Chinese hold both ports.

Sooo....maybe 7.62X39 ammo WILL be plentiful later this year or next. Those blue helmets will make nice planters once they are shot full of holes.
 
Of course the Chinese have been marching on the heads of their fellow soldiers as they march towards this continent under water.

700,000 in three years with everyone giving a wink and a nod. Give me a break. I think that this reporter should check a few more sources. I'm much more worried about the Chinese efforts to buy elections in the United States. Can anyone say Clinton? Can anyone say Gore? Can anyone be sure that the Republicans haven't done the same? The Chinese don't have to destroy this country. We are doing a fine job all by ourselves. They should save their money.
 
We already gave China congressional votes and our rocket guidance technology. How much harm is a few of these super-computers going to cause us in the future? :rolleyes:

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"We lost the first and third and now they are after the Second!(no pun intended)"
 
Just a few questions pop into mind. 700,000 troops represents a military
deployment 50% larger than Desert Shield/Storm. Article said planes and
ships were used to ferry troops. Why is it no one noticed? Why is it no
one noticed the increased air traffic? Why is it no one noticed additional
ship traffic in either the Med or the Red Sea? I thought we had forces
there?

The article implied that it was only troops ferried. Now the last time I
checked, the Sudan was in the middle of a famine and a civil war; the
implication being they have a hard time feeding their own people. Now we
want to add another 700,000+ troops. Also, these troops are not hollywood
troops that can engage in combat with no ammunition, water, food, fuel, air
support, etc., etc., etc. There has to be on h*ll of a supply line to
support this deployment and I will guarantee you it is not done by air. No,
it is by ship. Back to the first paragraph. Why is it no one noticed
additional ship traffic in either the Med or the Red Sea? BTW, I thought one of the reasons why Taiwan is safe from mainland China is that China does not sealift capability. How could they invade Taiwan since they can't resupply by ship?

If true, we are looking at the most massive failure of intelligence in the history of modern warfare. NSA failed, NRO failed, CIA failed, military intelligence of all branches failed, State Department (especially) failed, all the intelligence assets and systems of our allies (Israel, Germany, Brits, French) along with countries such as Egypt, Russia, India, and Pakistan.

This article is another urban legend OR there has been a massive news blackout on a global scale. London Telegraph has touched things regarding Clinton that no one else would touch. Newsmax.com regularly breaks stories big media ignores. I'm suspicious but it is just outrageous enought to be possible.

Hey, I wonder if this is Clinton's October surprise?????



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Ok, now all we need is Chinese lessons, and we'll be ready when they invade:

Lesson one: Mandarin Chinese for rednecks (=phonetically spelled)

NeHow = Hello

SayGin = Goodbye. Used in a sentence: "When they invade, you can kiss your a$$ goodbye."

Numbers

"E" = 1
"R" = 2
San = 3
Sooey = 4
Wu = 5

Here endeth the lesson :) :)

Westtexas. The only Mandarin speaking fool out here :)

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here is a URL with a little more information about the civil war in Sudan, and an attempt to help relieve some of the suffering. I doubt the 700,000 number is right. Probably a misplaced decimal.
www.blue-nile.org

and try this for some info too...
http://www.vitrade.com

In Buffalo there are about 100 Sudanese refugees. Some of them have been tortured, beaten, disfigured. The brother of one was killed recently in Kurmak. They really need help over there, really.
 
Wait one, Waitone! ;)

Just because the intelligence community doesn't tell everyone about everything does not mean they missed it.

For example:
The impending Russian invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 was detected well before the invasion began. I know. I read the messages.

Later, the Commander of U.S.Army Europe said we were taken by surprise. That was a lie. He was an addressee on the messages and was made fully aware of what was about to happen and was updated approximately every five minutes while it was happening.

Problem is, decisions made "at the highest level" of our government over-ride what we pee-ons discern and report.
 
Communist China may well have the largest and most modern sealift capability in the world. They also own and/or control enough pier space in the western hemisphere to be able to off load massive amounts of troops and supplies, with dry feet. In WWII the Allies used cruise ships as troop transports, the supplies were carried by specialty cargo ships. Modern container ships can each carry thousands of troops along with their supplies and equipment.

Communist China certainly does have the bottoms to invade Formosa. So far they just haven't had the guts/will to do so.

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Nikita Khrushchev predicted confidently in a speech in Bucharest, Rumania on June 19, 1962 that: " The United States will eventually fly the Communist Red Flag...the American people will hoist it themselves."
 
If the ChiCom could ferry 700,000 troops they'd move them against Taiwan. They don't have the ability to do this yet.

Satanta,

"Anyone hear about the Chinese troops in Mexico...something to do with NAFTA?"

Any Mexican politician that lets in foreign troops is signing his politial death warrant. They're the ultimate xenophobs, they won't even let the Peace Corp in the country. If this were true the opposition parties would use it effetively as a sign of violating national autonomy.

BTW Are you in S.A. South America or South Africa? ;)

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This is total B.S.. Look at the size of the Chinese economy, the need for modernization, the lack of a navy that extends beyond their coast and the fact that this would be a large percentage of their military. Why are we even discussing this. I can see 70,000 Chinese supported by, what for them would be a massive logistics effort. Get real folks. Nobody missed anything. Governments do keep secrets. Tihs happens, but not on this scale. End of story!
 
I don't want the Chinese to invade Taiwan, or get all the Spratly
islands. Just think of it - attacking Taiwan would be a good pretext
for the US to nuke some Chinese cities. And have their great navy sunk
one by one.

And the Chinese possibly nuking back! What 'bout WWIII? :(
 
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