Census scam alert

Oatka

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From another board:

"A friend of mine yesterday received a call at home from someone claiming to be from the Census Bureau. The caller stated that they were just calling to confirm information on file for her.

They proceeded to go over my friend's home address, phone # and full name (maiden name as well). But when it came to her social security number, they wanted her to repeat the number to them.

Reluctant - my friend said she would call them tomorrow once she had verified with someone at the Census Bureau that they were doing cold calling. The caller even had their "supervisor" get on the line and try to convince my friend.

She hung up and immediately called her telephone company. They were able to trace the call to a Baltimore residence. Apparently this is the latest scam going around. Please pass along to your friends and remind them never to give out information over the phone."
 
As a census enumerator, I can tell you that you are NEVER asked for your maiden name, or social security number.

Any requests for such should be reported to the census bureau, and the phone company.

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John/az
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Thanks for the warning.
No such thing as being too safe, or careful.

Now all I have to do is wait for the real census workers to knock on my door and follow up on my 'incomplete' form.
I'll be waiting... ;)

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I would also recommend reporting it to your local police.

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The only information the Census Bureau could be calling to confirm would be the information legally asked for in the US Constitution, ie, the # of occupants at my address.

I completed my form completely by answering that single question.
 
MrKandiyohi,

I also was under the impression that the number of occupants was the only constitutionally authorized question, until I read this from the U.S. Constitution

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>The actual Enumeration shall be made within three years after the first meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent term of ten years, in such manner as they [U.S. Congress] shall by law direct.[/quote]

So . . . . I'm still not answering anything other than the number of people, but now it's just on principle, not because the additional questions are unconstitutional.

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[This message has been edited by deanf (edited May 08, 2000).]
 
deanf;
It should be decided by better legal minds than mine, but an enumeration is still only an enumeration regardless of the manner in which it is conducted.

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Ed
 
Nice comeback, deanf. ;)

Another important scam I heard of on the news the other day ... BG's posing as census workers or LEO's, to gain access to homes for hot burglaries. As I recall, they hit two homes about one week ago. 'Hi. I'm from the Census Bureau.' When the door opened, the BG's pushed their way inside.

My own conversation with the Census folks will be quite short.

Regards from AZ
 
Real census enumerators will be displaying a white plastic ID badge with a blue logo on it. I'm working as an enumerator,good pension supplement.

Enumerators work in areas very near home, I have to drive maybe 2 1/2 miles to cover my area,so if the alleged enumerator doesn't look like he/she/it fits the 'hood, be wary.
Also, the forms should be visible, and they should start the conversation:

"Hi,I'm Soandso from the Census Bureau, (While pointing out the ID badge) is this (address of your home)?

If they do not follow this protocol, be wary.

Also, no enumerator will ask for a SS# under ANY circumstances.
 
deanf,

I was a census worker for the 1990 census. There were NO questions about firearms.

There were obtrusive questions concerning the size of your house, number of bedrooms and bathrooms, etc. There were other obtrusive questions which I no longer remember; but nothing about guns.

IF you saw questions about "guns", those forms were not the federal forms as used in Texas, New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan. I checked with family members and friends and the forms in those states were identical. I have no reason to believe the federal government had different forms for different states.

I was there. I read the forms several hundred times. Offhand, I'd say you've been misinformed.
 
Dennis,

I think he's refering to the demand for us to rid ourselves of our guns, not asking about them for the census.

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
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I don't think that Deanf was talking about asking for guns on the Census form. I believe that he was making a reference about a law that passed in NY(?) in 1934.
 
Aaaahh. (Small, dim bulb illuminates!) :o

"But of course!" That explains 193FOUR rather than a 1930 or 1940.

Deanf,
My bad! Sorry!

Dennis
 
There was a post on another site (FreeRepublic.com?) where someone claimed that the government sent out a set of census forms which asked recipients to provide their SS numbers. Apparently it was a test to see if citizens would be dumb enough to provide this information.
 
deanf

I still believe that they are only authorized to COUNT, ie, enumerate, the number of citizens in a state or county.

The MANNER in which they count is up to Congress, but not what they can ask. They could, I suppose, require citizens to come to their county seat or polling place and state the number of people living on their property. Or they could authorize USDA agents in the farm counties to do the counting, but they can only count you.


Question:
How many people live on your property?
Answer:
1

Question:
What is your race?
A. Caucasian
B. Black
C. Asian
etc.
Answer:
1

Question:
Did you vote for the sitting President?
Yes
No
Answer:
1

There's only one answer required by the Constitution.
 
I think this is what Brent was referring to:
http://www.csmonitor.com/durable/2000/05/09/fp2s2-csm.shtml

Census's most invasive question isn't about toilets

Critics argue forms asking for people's Social Security numbers could be moving US to a national ID tag.

This spring, while most Americans were filling out the short census form, 21,000 households received a special form with an extra question. It was a test to see if Americans would voluntarily write in their Social Security numbers.

Supporters call the experiment a worthy trial of new data-gathering methods. And many Americans, who regularly give their Social Security numbers to store clerks and government officials, may see nothing ominous in such requests.

But critics charge it's another bureaucratic step toward a national identity tag. While some say that Washington already has a great deal of information about its citizens, critics say the bureaucracy is so convoluted that it's difficult to access it.

A national ID could make tracking someone's history frighteningly efficient, especially in an age when disparate private and government databases can be linked and mined so easily. This year, with privacy concerns already swirling around the census, critics' warnings could attract widespread attention.

"It certainly is a move toward a national ID requirement, which we seem to be moving toward in tiny bureaucratic steps," says Robert Ellis Smith, publisher of Privacy Journal in Providence, R.I. The Social Security number "has become akin to a domestic passport that we decried in places like South Africa."

"It's a bigger issue than many people think," adds Rep. Ron Paul (R) of Texas. "Because of the nature of big government, to operate and be efficient ... [it] has to keep tabs on people. The concern over privacy is a reflection of the kind of government we have."

The Census Bureau is interested in the Social Security number as a classification system because it's more accurate than names and addresses. And Census officials say the number could serve as the key to unlock information held by other government agencies.

The Social Security number could broaden dramatically the use of administrative records in all levels of government. For example, if someone refused to answer Census questions on income, the bureau could look up Social Security records.

"Administrative records could be used to get more complete information," says Steven Jost, the bureau's associate communications director. Although this technique could be used in the 2010 census, "it's not a likelihood," he adds.

This spring's test - officially, the "Social Security Number, Privacy Attitudes, and Notification Experiment" - tried various wordings to see how citizens would react. In each case, the letter accompanying the form did not explain that the form was experimental, but did state the Social Security information was voluntary. It also pointed out that the bureau sometimes used the records of other agencies.

In each case, the accompanying letter directed people with questions to a special toll-free number in Tucson, Ariz. There, Census officials logged calls to see whether Americans would object to the request.

Most didn't. Of the roughly 2,600 calls the facility received regarding the experiment, fewer than 10 involved people protesting the use of Social Security numbers, officials say.

The experiment comes at a time when privacy is moving to the top of the public's agenda. "We've seen it explode over the last three years," says Beth Givens, director of Privacy Rights Clearinghouse in San Diego. In a Wall Street Journal/NBC poll last fall that listed eight problems Americans might face in the new century, loss of personal privacy topped the list. "The notion of a national ID is highly unpopular with the American public."

The Social Security Administration also opposes the use of its numbers by other agencies. "The Social Security card was never meant to be used as a form of identification," says Angel Neris, public affairs specialist with the agency. "It's one of the most important numbers you have. Before I would put my number on something, I would want to know why they need it."

It's not clear how quiet the Census intended the experiment to be. Some congressmen familiar with the census say trial use of the Social Security number was fully disclosed during the planning phase.

"This wasn't hidden," says Ben Chevat, chief of staff for Rep. Carolyn Maloney, ranking member on the House subcommittee on the Census. "Congress knew what [the bureau] was doing."

But Chip Walker, communications director for that subcommittee, says staff members only stumbled on the experiments after investigating reports that thieves were posing as Census workers and asking for Social Security numbers in order to bilk credit-card accounts. "It was a surprise to us," he says.

Representative Paul, who last year led the fight against an immigration provision that would have required a national ID, is pushing to prohibit the use of Social Security numbers in this manner. "It's something I strenuously object to," he says. "If they can get away with it, they'll keep pushing it."




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WOW! Only 10 out of 2600 called to protest?

I wonder how many just didn't fill in the bank with their number and returned the form...

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
the census workers came to my door early this Saturday morning. they wanted to "help me fill out my census form. when i politely informed them i did not have the time right then, one worker asked me if i knew it was fedreal law that i had to supply them with this information. at that point i told her very plainly that i had four prople living on my property and supplied thier names. she started in about their birthdays, race ect. i told her she already had more than i was required by law to supply. then i invited them to leave my property (nicely). they looked at each other and one of them told me i had an additude problem. i asked her if she knew that census information had been used in the past to round up and detain US citizens simply because of their race (she was black). she said that it was not true. i told her to go to the public libary and look up WW2 history and look at Japanese concentration camps. how do you think they knew how to find all those Japs?

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