Census 2000.

Donny

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I know there have been topics on this in the past several months, but...

I'd heard on the radio today (from DesMoines, IA), that the Census door-knockers were going to hitting the streets today, to take the survey, if they hadn't gotten yours in the mail...

Yesterday, they came to my house...

Question: I thought there was a Federal Order against the Census because of the nature/content of the questions being asked as being intrusive, and invasive in nature.
Can anybody shed some light on the order issued, and by whom, and where this order might be seen.

Best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
Donny,

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Article 1, Section 2:

(Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.)* The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand...

*Changed by section 2 of the 14th Amendment[/quote]

It's a count to determine how many representatives each state is entitled to. That's all it should be.

However, unfortunately it also has a bearing on how much of our extorted income (read income taxes) we get to suck off the government teat. And without massive civil disobedience when it comes to federal income extortion the state is highly dependant upon the return of some of it's citizen's funds.

I don't know anything about a federal ruling. But I have been told that if you consent to answer the first 6 questions that will suffice and they should leave you alone. 6 contacts, 3 personally, and 3 by phone, then they will send janet reno to interview you. :D

Another interesting side-note. We were "sworn in" to defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic, but we are not to be armed while performing our duties... hmmmm :)

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
I filled out question ONE: How many people are in your household? The other FORTY PAGES went unfilled. When/if a "door knocker" shows up at my door, they'll be politely asked to leave. (After all, they're just people needing part-time-jobs).

Except for the enumeration question, I'll never fill out another census form. Ever.
 
I found my own answer to above question.
I remembered reading of an injunction placed against the US Census, because of the nature of the questions.. Here's the link

http://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/98cv456.html

best Regards,
Don

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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
WASHINGTON, DC--With the April 1 deadline for returning Census 2000 forms finally passed, the Bureau of the Census announced Monday that the U.S. population stands at 13,462.

"We at the Census Bureau are shocked by the incredible decrease in the population that apparently took place in the 10 years since the last Census in 1990," Census Bureau director Kenneth Prewitt said. "A 1999 projection estimated the U.S. population at 274 million and set the annual growth rate at .95 percent. Yet from this latest Census count, we find that this projection overestimates the population by a multiple of 20,000."

Despite the sharp population dip, some data remains consistent with previous censuses. New York remains the nation's largest city, with a population of 664. Los Angeles is a close second with 657, and Chicago a distant third with 329. Surprisingly, the nation's fourth largest city is now Elkhart, IN, with a population of 256. Some suspect that the rise is the result of a citywide "Hey, Elkhart, Come To Your Census!" campaign. The most precipitous decline in urban population was in Houston, TX, formerly America's fourth largest city. In 1990, Houston boasted a population of 1,630,553. In 2000, it is 12.

No one lives in St. Louis.

As a result of the low Census count, hundreds of members of the House of Representatives are now departing Washington. Because the Constitution stipulates that the number of representatives is determined by each state's
population, these representatives are finding themselves without the necessary constituents to justify their presence in congress.

"I greatly enjoyed my 20 years in the House," said U.S. Rep. William Skene (R-ID). "Sadly, only one person from my state, Hank, answered the Census, so I will have to tender my resignation."

Yet some changes could be beneficial. The nation's Social Security crisis has been solved, with the nation's 7,204 senior citizens dividing amongst themselves $416 billion in Social Security funds.

"Last week, I was turned away by the local V.A. hospital," said Warren Costello, 88, a Medford, MA, WWII veteran and diabetes sufferer who doesn't have medical insurance. "But now I can afford my very own jet-powered walker."

Similarly, if the Clinton administration's education budget request passes, the per-child allotment will exceed $2.8 million.

"Gone are the days of 40 children to a classroom," education advocate Marian Wright Edelman said. "Today, the ratio is an estimated 40,000 classrooms to a child."

But despite such optimism, some observers are predicting that the low population count will have catastrophic effects on the national and global economy.

"Our 13,462 residents will be extremely hard-pressed to match the estimated 1999 gross domestic product of $6.9 trillion, unless each of them works tens of thousands of industrial, agricultural, and service-sector jobs," said Professor M. Russell Harte of Northwestern University's Kellogg School Of Business. "Also, I predict that the importation of foreign goods will plummet by nearly 600,000 percent, and the previously burgeoning consumer economy will experience a violent collapse. And if you consider that most of the Census respondents were aged 65 years or older, it doesn't take long to come to the conclusion that we are doomed."

As experts in countless fields contemplate the potentially disastrous impact the Census results may have on American life, they all arrive at the same question: Why did the American population decline so sharply during the 1990s?

"Many theories have been offered, such as disease, or mass genocide by global thermonuclear war, or perhaps devastation from the killer-bee invasions that were predicted to occur sometime in the '90s," Prewitt said. "Many are even speculating that not everyone sent in their Census forms. But the cold, hard evidence is telling us that it will take us a long time to rebuild our population to 1990 levels. So commence breeding, America."

:) :D :) ;) :)

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com

[This message has been edited by John/az2 (edited April 27, 2000).]
 
Please don't let senseless bureau count you out

BY DAVE BARRY

UNLESS you are hiding in a drain pipe, by now you should have received your census questionnaire from the federal government.

The census is a federal tradition dating back to 1790, when President Washington ordered all citizens to form a line and count off by ones, thus establishing that the U.S. population at that time was ``eleventeen.'' In modern times, the census is taken by the Census Bureau every 10 years, as required by the Constitution. (For the other nine years, Census Bureau employees play pinochle while remaining on Red Alert, in case the Constitution suddenly changes.)

How important is the census to us today? Here's a quote from a letter my household received from Kenneth Prewitt, director of the Census Bureau:

``Huwag ninyong sasagutin ang Inggles na form na inyong tatanggapin sa koreo.''

I did not make this quote up. More than half of Mr. Prewitt's letter to my household is written in various foreign languages. As far as I can tell, in this particular quote Mr. Prewitt is saying: ``Anybody who gets sausage and eggs on the census form will end up (something bad) in South Korea.'' This is not a threat that the federal government makes lightly.

Why is the census so important? For one thing, it enables the government to locate its citizens so it can administer programs to them. The census also determines our congressional representation, which is very important. For example, in the 1990 census, a homeowner named Ward A. Frondflinger Jr. of Lawrence, Kan., left his census form out on the dining-room table, and unbeknownst to him, his children filled it out and mailed it in, with the information that his household had 984 million members. Today, the Frondflingers are personally represented by 12 congresspersons and five U.S. senators, and they have their own naval base.

Contrast their situation with that of North Dakota, which, because of poor participation with the 1990 census, wound up reporting that it had a total of only seven residents (the actual number is believed to be much closer to nine). As a result, today North Dakota has zero representatives in Congress and may no longer even be part of the United States. (Somebody should go up there and check.)

So the ``bottom line'' is that it is in your best interest, as a citizen, to fill out your census form. Here's some information to help you:

Q: What kinds of questions does the census form ask?

A: Most citizens will receive the short form, which asks you only for basic information that the government needs to administer programs to you, such as your name, age, sex, race, weight and whether or not you wear thong underwear.

Q: What if I get the long form?

A: You had better know something about calculus.

Q: Is my census information confidential?

A: Absolutely. Nobody is allowed to see your personal census information except federal employees and their friends.

Q: What are my choices regarding my race?

A: You may choose from any of the following federally approved races: Black, White, Beige, Blush, Bisque, Asian, Latino, Caucasian, Person of Color, African-American, Native American Indian, Spaniard, Original Hawaiian, Asian Minor, Native Alaskan, Person of Density, Indian Indian from India, Caucasian-Asian Hawaiian, Hispano-African-Alaskan Native Indian, Ohioan, Native Hawaiian Tourist, Munchkin, Italian Samoan, Wisenheimer and Presbyterian. Or, if you prefer, you may invent your own race, and the government will create a large bureaucracy to keep track of you.

Q: Why does the government need this information?

A: That is none of your business.

Q: I have an imaginary friend named Mr. Wookins. Should I include him on my census form?

A: Of course. The federal government spends billions of dollars on imaginary programs; these must be targeted to reach the people who really need them.

Q: Is there a place on the census form where I can tell the government how much I hate these stupid low-flow toilets?

A: The government has provided margins for this express purpose.

Q: What will happen to me if I fail to complete the census form?

A: In the words of Census Director Prewitt, ``Matatanggap ninyo ang Tagalog na census form sa loob ng dalawang linggo.''

Q: Can he DO that?

A: Do not tempt him.
 
I've done more research on this. Still trying to find a link to the information specifically. But I did find one reference to this, I've taken the transcript from the site, without providing a link (for good reason).

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>
INJUNCTION GRANTED IN CENSUS SUIT (Houston, Texas) (posted 3/29/00 - no link)

U.S. District Judge Melinda Harmon granted attorney Mark Brewer a temporary restraining order today in the Census Suit filed by five Houston, Texas residents. Attorneys for the government conceded and the court ruled that none of the five plaintiffs will be subject to actual or threatened prosecution during the pendency of the litigation.

Effectively, said Brewer, this prevents prosecution against any American who chooses to not answer questions other than the number of people living at their address. According to Brewer, the government also conceded that the plaintiffs have standing. This removed what was potentially the biggest impediment to the case going forward.

Brewer stressed that his clients do not want to stop or interrupt the actual enumeration called for by the Constitution. "These plaintiffs are ordinary citizens and true patriots. Like most Americans, they want to obey the law, perform their civic duty and be counted. But, they don't want to be threatened with criminal penalties for failure to respond to the outrageously invasive and intrusive questions demanded by the Census Bureau. They also share the genuine concern that if they only answer the constitutionally permissible question (i.e., how many people live at their address), they risk not being counted at all," said Brewer.

Brewer points out that the Census Bureau admits that its statistically random use of short and long form questionnaires actually increases the risk of non-responses and thus, "undercounting." And, since the questions could not be lawfully asked by the government or private persons in any other context, there can be no legal use of the information, once collected.

Examples include questions of race, ethnicity, age, sex, and even disability. "Unfortunately, we know the government is capable of misusing census data. The federal government was only able to find, round up and imprison Americans of Japanese ancestry in 1942 by the illegal use of Census Bureau data," said Brewer. (Press release from the Campaign for a Colorblind America 3/27/00. For more information contact: Jeff Van Fleet or Mark Brewer 713/209-2950)
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My reading of this, the Census cannot fine you for refusing to answer more than one question, the # of bodies alive in a particular household.

Best Regards,
Don


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The most foolish mistake we could make would be to allow the subjected people to carry arms; history shows that all conquerers who have allowed their subjected people to carry arms have prepared their own fall.
Adolf Hitler
 
I did not fill out or return our census form. This was purely unintentional.

My wife decided that it was our civic duty to completely fill it out. She was even feeling kind of patriotic about it. We got the L-O-N-G Form. :eek:

She started reading through the questions and finally commented "F- This!" Shortly thereafter, the form got lost. Too bad.

I know that I could send in something or maybe respond on the internet, but I'm going to contribute to the well-being of my fellow Americans and make a census worker come to my house. I'll happily tell them that I have four people living in my house, but that's all I'll tell them. I might invite them in for a refreshment and a little chat about liberty and freedom, they're paid by the hour I think. :)


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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4 Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
 
Yes, we are paid by the hour.

It will be interesting to see just how long I can keep this 6 week job, knowing what I know and helping educate the people that I talk to....

"John, how come the majority of the forms we get back from you have only the number of people at the home?"

:D

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!
www.cphv.com
 
Good for you John. :)

I hope you come to my house. We'll knock back a few Guinnesses and discuss the Second.


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RKBA!
"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4 Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
 
The census commercials are nothing but socialist propaganda. They admit that our American republic lives no more. Our elected officials no longer take their oaths to office serious, habitually violating that oath along with various forms of usurpation, corruption, and violation of Constitutional mandates.

It is because of the above alledged mandatory participation in their scheme to extort more tax dollars from the American people into socialist programs (which have no basis for existance under the U.S. Constitution) that my trusty shredder burped out some lovely new cage lining for my hungry hogs!

It is definitely time to FEED THE HOGS!
 
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