bestdefense357
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Would someone cut-and-paste this as I can't do it because of WebTV? Thanks in advance.
http://www.kc3.com/Megerle.htm
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CCW holder shoots would-be mugger--a must-read!
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Jeff Thomas
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Mugger shot by intended victim
Park walker, 57, was carrying gun
BY JANE PRENDERGAST
The Cincinnati Enquirer
COVINGTON - A man police say was trying to rob another man ended up in the
hospital Thursday because his chosen victim, a man out for his morning walk,
packed a .25-caliber automatic in his exercise pants and used it.
Under a 3-year-old Kentucky law, a person with a permit to carry a
concealed gun may defend himself with it when accosted on the street.
The man wounded in Thursday morning's shooting, Jamie Kennedy, had tried
this kind of thing before, police said. The 28-year-old convicted felon
escaped indictment in June after he was accused of poking a gun in a man's
face and stealing his wallet. The gun, however, was a toy. Prosecutors could
not get enough grand jurors to vote for an indictment.
Thursday morning, Mr. Kennedy's luck ran out, police said.
Using a real gun this time, although investigators later determined it
had no bullets in it, he stopped Joseph Megerle as Mr. Megerle did his
regular exercising near Devou Park just before 7 a.m. When threatened, Mr.
Megerle, 57, pulled out his gun and fired twice. He hit Mr. Kennedy in the
chest and head, then ran to a nearby construction site to find someone to
call police.
"That's exactly what this (concealed carry) law was designed to do,"
said Craig Palmer, director of the Kentucky Coalition to Carry Concealed.
"This is an honest, law-abiding person who didn't set out to hurt anybody.
You don't have to be a victim."
Mr. Kennedy was in serious condition later at University Hospital.
Cincinnati police officers, with warrants for his arrest on charges of
attempted robbery and attempted murder, will be waiting for him when he is
released, Covington Assistant Chief Bill Dorsey said.
Mr. Megerle will not be charged.
He told officers that when he saw the other man's gun, he thought he was
going to die, Lt. Col. Dorsey said.
Mr. Kennedy has an extensive criminal record in Kenton County. He was
sentenced to a year in jail in 1988 for burglary and 10 days in jail in 1995
for receiving stolen property. He was sent to prison for two years in May
1997 on another conviction for receiving stolen property. In exchange for
his guilty plea then, a charge of being a persistent felony offender was
dropped. Court records did not say when he was released from prison.
Mr. Kennedy is a suspect in a robbery Thursday morning at a Newport
Dairy Mart.
Covington investigators think he and two others in a car were trying to
avoid main thoroughfares to escape detection by police. Lt. Col. Dorsey said
they were dumping clothing in a trash can when Mr. Megerle happened by on
his walk. Covington detectives kept the clothing and both guns for evidence.
"I don't know that this course of action is right for everybody," Lt.
Col. Dorsey said of the shooting. "Mr. Megerle did what he felt was right
for him."
The event likely will prompt more people to be interested in getting
concealed-carry permits, he said. Thirty other states have laws that allow
citizens to carry guns.
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Concealed weapon permit requires test
BY TERRY FLYNN
The Cincinnati Enquirer
Joseph Megerle, the man police said thwarted an apparent armed robbery
Thursday by shooting and wounding his alleged assailant, obtained a Kentucky
permit to carry a concealed deadly weapon after eight hours of classroom
instruction and proof that he had a certain level of proficiency with a
handgun.
Kentucky's concealed-carry permit law, passed by the legislature three
years ago, calls for a permit applicant to first contact a state-certified
concealed-carry instructor.
The instructor conducts an eight-hour class that details the law
concerning use of deadly force, the concealed-carry law, and aspects of
handgun safety.
The permit applicant must pass a written test, and must also fire 20
rounds with 11 hits on a life-size silhouette target.
When the test results are approved by state concealed-carry officials,
the applicant then files with the sheriff in the county of residence, pays
$60 and, if the applicant clears a police background check, receives the
concealed-carry permit that includes a picture similar to a driver's
license.
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Concealed-carry law passes first test
Michael Collins and Peggy Kreimer, Post staff reporters
FRANKFORT - A man who pulled a gun out of his pocket and shot a would-be
robber in Covington's Devou Park early Thursday morning showed that
Kentucky's concealed-carry law is doing what it's supposed to do, said the
statute's chief proponent.
''That's what the law was intended to do: Let a legal citizen protect
himself,'' said state Rep. Bob Damron, D-Nicholasville.
More than 51,000 Kentuckians have obtained permits to carry hidden weapons
in the three years since the state's concealed-carry law took effect.
More permits may be issued after the Devou Park shooting, Kenton County
Sheriff Charles Korzenborn predicted. He expects the public to view it as
an example of the protection that carrying your own gun provides. Already,
160 people have applied in the county for permits this year.
''People have not only a right but a responsibility to take care of
themselves,'' said Korzenborn, who administers the permits in Kenton
County.
''If you rely on the police to do everything, you would need one policeman
for every person.''
Retired Cinergy worker Joe Megerle, 57, of Covington, was walking in Devou
Park when a man approached him, drew a pistol and demanded money. Megerle
pulled out his .25-caliber pistol and shot Jamie Kennedy, 27, of
Covington, in the chest and head. Kennedy is in serious condition at
University Hospital in Cincinnati.
Kennedy is charged with attempted robbery, and a charge of attempted
murder might be added to that, Covington Assistant Police Chief Bill
Dorsey said. A man and a woman who were in the car with him have been
questioned but no charges have been filed against either.
No evidence turned up in a police search of a room at the Days Inn in Fort
Wright, Dorsey said. The search was connected to the shooting, police have
said.
Police say Kennedy's pistol was not loaded, but that doesn't affect the
seriousness of his actions, Dorsey said. Megerle believed his life was in
danger, and he acted correctly when he shot to save his life, Dorsey said.
Megerle has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
''In that situation, it was the right thing to do,'' Dorsey said.
Megerle's father, also named Joe, was Covington's assistant police chief
when he retired about 1970.
Dorsey said the Devou Park confrontation is believed to be the first time
someone with a permit to carry a concealed weapon used the weapon in
Northern Kentucky since the state law was passed in 1996.
But it wasn't the first such self-defense shooting statewide. Damron, who
pushed the concealed-carry law through the General Assembly, said several
similar instances have been recorded across the state.
In Bowling Green, a woman who had just gotten a concealed-weapon permit
and completed the required firearms-safety course shot a man who broke
into her house. The woman later said she would have been unable to defend
herself had she not taken the gun-safety course, Damron said.
Critics argued that enacting the law could lead to an increase in violence
and vigilantism. But Damron said he wasn't aware of any case in which
charges have been filed against a concealed-carry permit holder.
The 51,482 people who have permits to carry concealed weapons have acted
responsibly, Damron said.
''I'd match those people's criminal record against any other group in the
state,'' he said. ''They are showing that you can trust law-abiding
citizens who actually own and keep firearms.''
Dorsey agreed, even though at the time the law was being considered police
had reservations about it, fearing it would prompt a rash of irresponsible
gun use.
''I follow this. I've been waiting for the first one,'' Dorsey said.
''This is it, and this man did the right thing.''
But state Rep. Jim Callahan, a Wilder Democrat who opposes the
concealed-carry law, said Thursday's shooting illustrates the danger of
giving people greater access to guns.
''My district is a heavily urbanized area. The last thing we need is more
guns in the hands of people who are out on the streets,'' said Callahan,
who voted against the law three years ago. ''I still have concerns.''
Callahan said he understood that people have a right to protect
themselves. But he said he feared that putting more guns on the streets
would lead to more shootings.
Publication date: 08-20-99
Park walker, 57, was carrying gun
BY JANE PRENDERGAST
The Cincinnati Enquirer
COVINGTON - A man police say was trying to rob another man ended up in the
hospital Thursday because his chosen victim, a man out for his morning walk,
packed a .25-caliber automatic in his exercise pants and used it.
Under a 3-year-old Kentucky law, a person with a permit to carry a
concealed gun may defend himself with it when accosted on the street.
The man wounded in Thursday morning's shooting, Jamie Kennedy, had tried
this kind of thing before, police said. The 28-year-old convicted felon
escaped indictment in June after he was accused of poking a gun in a man's
face and stealing his wallet. The gun, however, was a toy. Prosecutors could
not get enough grand jurors to vote for an indictment.
Thursday morning, Mr. Kennedy's luck ran out, police said.
Using a real gun this time, although investigators later determined it
had no bullets in it, he stopped Joseph Megerle as Mr. Megerle did his
regular exercising near Devou Park just before 7 a.m. When threatened, Mr.
Megerle, 57, pulled out his gun and fired twice. He hit Mr. Kennedy in the
chest and head, then ran to a nearby construction site to find someone to
call police.
"That's exactly what this (concealed carry) law was designed to do,"
said Craig Palmer, director of the Kentucky Coalition to Carry Concealed.
"This is an honest, law-abiding person who didn't set out to hurt anybody.
You don't have to be a victim."
Mr. Kennedy was in serious condition later at University Hospital.
Cincinnati police officers, with warrants for his arrest on charges of
attempted robbery and attempted murder, will be waiting for him when he is
released, Covington Assistant Chief Bill Dorsey said.
Mr. Megerle will not be charged.
He told officers that when he saw the other man's gun, he thought he was
going to die, Lt. Col. Dorsey said.
Mr. Kennedy has an extensive criminal record in Kenton County. He was
sentenced to a year in jail in 1988 for burglary and 10 days in jail in 1995
for receiving stolen property. He was sent to prison for two years in May
1997 on another conviction for receiving stolen property. In exchange for
his guilty plea then, a charge of being a persistent felony offender was
dropped. Court records did not say when he was released from prison.
Mr. Kennedy is a suspect in a robbery Thursday morning at a Newport
Dairy Mart.
Covington investigators think he and two others in a car were trying to
avoid main thoroughfares to escape detection by police. Lt. Col. Dorsey said
they were dumping clothing in a trash can when Mr. Megerle happened by on
his walk. Covington detectives kept the clothing and both guns for evidence.
"I don't know that this course of action is right for everybody," Lt.
Col. Dorsey said of the shooting. "Mr. Megerle did what he felt was right
for him."
The event likely will prompt more people to be interested in getting
concealed-carry permits, he said. Thirty other states have laws that allow
citizens to carry guns.
___________
Concealed weapon permit requires test
BY TERRY FLYNN
The Cincinnati Enquirer
Joseph Megerle, the man police said thwarted an apparent armed robbery
Thursday by shooting and wounding his alleged assailant, obtained a Kentucky
permit to carry a concealed deadly weapon after eight hours of classroom
instruction and proof that he had a certain level of proficiency with a
handgun.
Kentucky's concealed-carry permit law, passed by the legislature three
years ago, calls for a permit applicant to first contact a state-certified
concealed-carry instructor.
The instructor conducts an eight-hour class that details the law
concerning use of deadly force, the concealed-carry law, and aspects of
handgun safety.
The permit applicant must pass a written test, and must also fire 20
rounds with 11 hits on a life-size silhouette target.
When the test results are approved by state concealed-carry officials,
the applicant then files with the sheriff in the county of residence, pays
$60 and, if the applicant clears a police background check, receives the
concealed-carry permit that includes a picture similar to a driver's
license.
The Gun News Alert List - http://www.provide.net/~bpieske/index.htm
Concealed-carry law passes first test
Michael Collins and Peggy Kreimer, Post staff reporters
FRANKFORT - A man who pulled a gun out of his pocket and shot a would-be
robber in Covington's Devou Park early Thursday morning showed that
Kentucky's concealed-carry law is doing what it's supposed to do, said the
statute's chief proponent.
''That's what the law was intended to do: Let a legal citizen protect
himself,'' said state Rep. Bob Damron, D-Nicholasville.
More than 51,000 Kentuckians have obtained permits to carry hidden weapons
in the three years since the state's concealed-carry law took effect.
More permits may be issued after the Devou Park shooting, Kenton County
Sheriff Charles Korzenborn predicted. He expects the public to view it as
an example of the protection that carrying your own gun provides. Already,
160 people have applied in the county for permits this year.
''People have not only a right but a responsibility to take care of
themselves,'' said Korzenborn, who administers the permits in Kenton
County.
''If you rely on the police to do everything, you would need one policeman
for every person.''
Retired Cinergy worker Joe Megerle, 57, of Covington, was walking in Devou
Park when a man approached him, drew a pistol and demanded money. Megerle
pulled out his .25-caliber pistol and shot Jamie Kennedy, 27, of
Covington, in the chest and head. Kennedy is in serious condition at
University Hospital in Cincinnati.
Kennedy is charged with attempted robbery, and a charge of attempted
murder might be added to that, Covington Assistant Police Chief Bill
Dorsey said. A man and a woman who were in the car with him have been
questioned but no charges have been filed against either.
No evidence turned up in a police search of a room at the Days Inn in Fort
Wright, Dorsey said. The search was connected to the shooting, police have
said.
Police say Kennedy's pistol was not loaded, but that doesn't affect the
seriousness of his actions, Dorsey said. Megerle believed his life was in
danger, and he acted correctly when he shot to save his life, Dorsey said.
Megerle has a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
''In that situation, it was the right thing to do,'' Dorsey said.
Megerle's father, also named Joe, was Covington's assistant police chief
when he retired about 1970.
Dorsey said the Devou Park confrontation is believed to be the first time
someone with a permit to carry a concealed weapon used the weapon in
Northern Kentucky since the state law was passed in 1996.
But it wasn't the first such self-defense shooting statewide. Damron, who
pushed the concealed-carry law through the General Assembly, said several
similar instances have been recorded across the state.
In Bowling Green, a woman who had just gotten a concealed-weapon permit
and completed the required firearms-safety course shot a man who broke
into her house. The woman later said she would have been unable to defend
herself had she not taken the gun-safety course, Damron said.
Critics argued that enacting the law could lead to an increase in violence
and vigilantism. But Damron said he wasn't aware of any case in which
charges have been filed against a concealed-carry permit holder.
The 51,482 people who have permits to carry concealed weapons have acted
responsibly, Damron said.
''I'd match those people's criminal record against any other group in the
state,'' he said. ''They are showing that you can trust law-abiding
citizens who actually own and keep firearms.''
Dorsey agreed, even though at the time the law was being considered police
had reservations about it, fearing it would prompt a rash of irresponsible
gun use.
''I follow this. I've been waiting for the first one,'' Dorsey said.
''This is it, and this man did the right thing.''
But state Rep. Jim Callahan, a Wilder Democrat who opposes the
concealed-carry law, said Thursday's shooting illustrates the danger of
giving people greater access to guns.
''My district is a heavily urbanized area. The last thing we need is more
guns in the hands of people who are out on the streets,'' said Callahan,
who voted against the law three years ago. ''I still have concerns.''
Callahan said he understood that people have a right to protect
themselves. But he said he feared that putting more guns on the streets
would lead to more shootings.
Publication date: 08-20-99
bestdefense357
New member
Thanks, Jeff.
Robert
Robert
jeffelkins
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Too bad the guy was carrying a .25 
Jeff Thomas
New member
Robert, it's always a pleasure.
If you want to step your heart rate up a bit, take a gander at the MSMagazine forums (see Politics at www.msmagazine.com ). There are more than a couple ladies over there who feel they 'just couldn't take a human life in self defense', and that kind of perspective. Amazing stuff.
Thanks for bringing this story to our attention.
Regards from AZ
If you want to step your heart rate up a bit, take a gander at the MSMagazine forums (see Politics at www.msmagazine.com ). There are more than a couple ladies over there who feel they 'just couldn't take a human life in self defense', and that kind of perspective. Amazing stuff.
Thanks for bringing this story to our attention.
Regards from AZ
Well, Mr. Jim Callahan, State Rep and Democrat, is exactly correct. Putting "more guns on the street" will indeed lead to more shootings...of human predator scum like Jamie Kennedy. Why do they want us to live in fear? So we can owe the government for everything we have, including safety, so we will be dependent slaves. If it had been a bigger gun, the point of my signature quote would be even more evident.
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When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; IT IS that they shall be destroyed forever...Psalms 92.7
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When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; IT IS that they shall be destroyed forever...Psalms 92.7
Zunsho,
What is that old adage? The first rule in a gunfight--is to have a gun!
If a .25 was all I had, I'd carry it! Yes, even a .25 is better than nothing, but I'd rather carry something a little more substantial.
Unfortunately, here in Ohio we don't have that option. We are one of the very few states that do not allow any sort of concealed carry.
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Remember, just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
What is that old adage? The first rule in a gunfight--is to have a gun!
If a .25 was all I had, I'd carry it! Yes, even a .25 is better than nothing, but I'd rather carry something a little more substantial.
Unfortunately, here in Ohio we don't have that option. We are one of the very few states that do not allow any sort of concealed carry.
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Remember, just because you are not paranoid doesn't mean they are not out to get you!
Bill in NM
New member
Cougar,
You're not alone. Here in New Mexico, we're not allowed any form of concealed carry either.
Nice to see Ky LEO's and politicos have a sense of right and wrong, and actually praise the right when it is done and condem the wrong.
Hmmm...might have to move to Ky.
Bill
You're not alone. Here in New Mexico, we're not allowed any form of concealed carry either.
Nice to see Ky LEO's and politicos have a sense of right and wrong, and actually praise the right when it is done and condem the wrong.
Hmmm...might have to move to Ky.
Bill
I have to give Rep. Callahan a little credit. How many politicians have enough courage to say that their constituents are too criminally inclined to be trusted with firearms? At least the man admits that the people who elected him to public office can't be trusted to make any important decisions. After all, that's why they elected him. I wish more liberal politicians were as honest. 
Looks like Darwinism is alive and well, at least in Kentucky. This friggin' idiot Kennedy(!) first robbed someone with a TOY GUN, then an UNLOADED GUN?! WTF was he thinking?!
Oh, that's right: he wasn't, that's why he's in the hospital (with his care being paid-for by us).
Oh, that's right: he wasn't, that's why he's in the hospital (with his care being paid-for by us).
Bill in NM,
Bill, I suspect you know this and consider an unloaded gun not really useable, but we can in NM carry an unloaded gun concealed. One could carry the concealed gun unloaded and a magazine in another pocket and be legal. Not very good if you needed it quickly. With the Chief of the State Police, the Speaker of the House, and the President pro tem of the senate opposed to CCW we don't have a very good chance of getting one anytime soon. As far as I can tell the NRA hasn't been any help here. I am glad that Texas and Arizona permits are available to us. BTW don't we have the best range set up here of about anywhere?
Bill, I suspect you know this and consider an unloaded gun not really useable, but we can in NM carry an unloaded gun concealed. One could carry the concealed gun unloaded and a magazine in another pocket and be legal. Not very good if you needed it quickly. With the Chief of the State Police, the Speaker of the House, and the President pro tem of the senate opposed to CCW we don't have a very good chance of getting one anytime soon. As far as I can tell the NRA hasn't been any help here. I am glad that Texas and Arizona permits are available to us. BTW don't we have the best range set up here of about anywhere?