CCW Holder in TROUBLE in MA!!!!!!

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Little Wolf

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This is what I hate about living next to this communist state!!!!! Pay $100 a year for their "premission" or risk getting arrested and jailed....

You can read about what happened in detail here,
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_179_30/ai_n15862439

Robert Tessitore of Greenville, RI a permit holder left work while carrying one day to visit the gravely ill (later died) father of his friend. He went straight to the man's house in Fall River. when he left the house two youths assaulted him with knives . He drew his weapon and warned them he was armed. They continued to advance on Mr. Tessitore. He shot and killed them both.

Naturally, he was charged with manslaughter. He was found not guilty. He was charged and found not guilty of "discharge of a firearm within 500 feet of a building". But, he was found guilty of carrying a firearm with out a (MA) FID card. This requires a mandatory sentence in MA of one year. So far his legal bills I am told are $60,000.

These are the facts as they were related to me.

I have been asked by people close to this case to notify any gun owners I can to write to the Governor of RI and advocate a pardon for Mr. Tessitore. The address suggested to me was:

Deborah Smith
Director of Municipal and external Affairs
Rhode Island State House
Providence, RI 02903

Or you could address your letter to the governore directly of course.

Nothing but good can come of your participation in this campaign. A strong wave of protest will show the governor that you are a political force to reckon with.
 
He shot and killed them both.
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These are the facts as they were related to me.
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Read the article you linked. He shot and killed one attacker. The other ran back to the vehicle.

Hate to say it... but he should have gotten a MA permit. No excuse.

I'll write a letter and send it to the address provided, but this is a lesson to everyone that it’s important to get a permit in all states contiguous to your home state.
 
Rtfd!

Hint: Try actually READING the article before trying to whip everyone into a frenzy about it.

He only killed one AND - the significant fact you wholly ignore - then fled and disposed of his gun. Not exactly High Noon material.

He was also carrying illegally.

Research BEFORE you post. :rolleyes:
 
This is clearly a sad situation, but it is equally clearly one in which the gentleman was carrying in violation of Massachusetts law.

BTW, why write to the Governor of Rhode Island? It would make more sense to appeal to the Governor of Massachusetts, who is the only person who can grant pardons for convictions under Massachusetts law.
 
Sad on the one hand, and OK on the other.

Sad that he's been convicted for defending himself (OK - for carrying without a permit) against 2 thugs.

OK in that he beat the major charges.

Even if he gets the mandatory 1 yr minimum (probably will) he may be able to get time served (if any) to reduce the time.

As for writing RI's govenor, the gov can pardon Tessitore of the felony conviction prohibitions so that he can continue to own/posess firearms.
 
That's a tough one.

He shouldn't have been carrying-the laws are there for a reason. Either obey them, or get ready to pay the consequences if you are caught. Hindsight is always 20/20, but if he had just gotten the damn permit.

On the other hand...

The scumbag that was attacking and subsequently shot and killed deserved it. I feel bad that the shooter is serving time for this, but I'd rather serve a year and go back to my family than be killed by two scumbags. This is a clear cut case of legally justified deadly force while defending yourself.

I can tell you that if I wasn't allowed to carry in another state, I wouldn't carry. Does that mean that if I was in the same situation that I would have been killed by these two scumbags? Possibly.-I'm just glad he's alive and will be going home soon. It's a no win situation for the guy. It's too bad that doing the right thing is sometimes the wrong thing.
 
It is truly sad. However, he should have know the laws of MA, and followed them.
I read posts from time to time that someone is not going to follow the law, and will take their chances rather than submit to "unconstitutional" rules and laws.
OK, but then take the consequences.

Too bad, but learn the lesson without having to suffer first. Unless pardoned, his days of legally owning a gun are over.

Jerry
 
Someone else who missed the obvious

"As for writing RI's govenor [sic], the gov can pardon Tessitore of the felony conviction prohibitions so that he can continue to own/posess [sic] firearms."

NO, he cannot. You failed - as did the OP - to grasp the fact that the only person who can pardon Tessitore is the MASSACHUSETTS governor.

Think it through: The crime was COMMITTED in Massachusetts; he was TRIED and CONVICTED in Massachusetts; he is serving his sentence in Massachusetts.

Rhode Island and its governor are irrelevant. :rolleyes:
 
Not to get too technical, but the Firearms Identification card (FID) is for long arms only, and has nothing to do with handguns. For that, he'd need a License to Carry Firearms (LTC). Mass. issues non-resident LTCs.
JT
 
When did we get to the point that obeying the law is more important than our lives?

Sure, he could have "obeyed the law" of MA but what he was doing was protecting himself.

It was shown that the thugs still advanced on him, that means that they were willing to take this guys life for whatever they thought they wanted.

So if we were reading this story with the headline, "Two angels charged in murder of man" then we would be sitting here saying, "Thank God that the murdered man didn't break MA law" :confused: .

You know, if we gun owners and believers in the Right to Keep and Bear Arms would get our act together instead of reading such things and saying, "Well, he should have..." then we really don't believe in what the 2nd really says.

That we agree with the feds and the states that it's something that should be able to be regulated heavily, or infringed.

This guy may have made some mistakes, like trying to get rid of the weapon, but what he initially did, wasn't wrong, no matter what the law. He protected himself from people that weren't deterred by his having the means to protect himself, which means that they were bound and determined to either kill or greatly harm this person.

Wayne
 
+a big 1 Wayne

This guy may have made some mistakes, like trying to get rid of the weapon, but what he initially did, wasn't wrong, no matter what the law.
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I would not have done much differently aside from getting rid of the gun. The way I see it he was well within his rights to defend his life reguardless of who says so.

He shouldn't have been carrying-the laws are there for a reason.
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He would most likely be DEAD Right now had he "followed the law" in this case.

I read posts from time to time that someone is not going to follow the law, and will take their chances rather than submit to "unconstitutional" rules and laws. OK, but then take the consequences.
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And I would gladly take the consequenses & enjoy every breath for the next year, along with 3 hots & a cot. Rather than be a "law abiding citizen" SIX FEET UNDER.
 
What everyone should do is obey the law its there for your protection. Never ever disobey the law or you could be seriously injured or worse. Don't you know the goverment knows what best for us. I need to write my elected officials and have them enact more laws to protect me. :D I tried to keep a straight face.
 
OK, but then take the consequences.
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But why are there consequences? Why is it that this man who most likely saved his life is now being punished for whating to live.

Why is that okay? Please explain to me why a life is not worth protecting but a law is?

The entire state of MA, as well as others that have done this, should be sued and all monies given to those that are being railroaded for just wanting to live.

It's really starting to make me sick some of the things that I hear people say. Obey the law, we're here to protect you, we're from the government and we're here to help you.... :barf:

This man should be given the medals and the raises that the atf agents got for the murder of women and children at a farm house. He deserves it more.

Wayne

*sorry, just that all this "obey the damn law and die" attitudes really are getting to me. I think that I'm going bald from the inside out as well.

**some, okay, alot, of emotion involved in the post above.... but I'm still not understanding how law trumps life.
 
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But why are there consequences?...

.... but I'm still not understanding how law trumps life.
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Wayne, I'm not sure you're going to find too many people who disagree that the law sucks.

What I think you'll have a hard time finding, are persons who believe deliberately ignoring the law because it sucks, or being lazy and in some way inadvertently breaking the law, is some sort of get-out-of-jail-free card.

We all know as citizens we’re responsible for knowing, understanding, and following the law - yes, even the really crappy laws. Those laws we do not like, we need to change by conventional means. We can’t hide behind the rectitude of our actions in order to drown out the fact that we have in fact broken a law.

I hate a 55mph speed limit on a 6-lane highway. When I choose to speed (which I sometimes do), I must pay the consequences if caught - and I think that pretty much sucks. Whether I'm speeding out of pure choice, or because I was too lazy to pay attention to the speed limit, is completely irrelevant.

If this man had simply filled out the application and received his card... he wouldn't be in this predicament.

The fact that we must fill out an app, pay a fee, and go through hoops to even be allowed to carry in the U.S. of A... is another ball of wax, and I think that's the ridiculousness you're pointing out - and I agree, it's ridiculous.

Unfortunately, until we change the system, we're responsible for working with in it's parameters.
 
Shoot, shovel, and shut up.:D

Were I faced with that Hobb's choice, I would have shot the guys and left the scene as well.

I would prefer the LEOs to scratch their heads and wonder how these bad guys got dead, and maybe find me, than volunteer myself up for prosecution.
 
Uhh...

A MA LTC that's valid for more than just visiting the range, or between work and home, is extremely difficult to get. MA is not shall-issue. It must be twice as hard for an out-of-stater to get one. Just because Bob managed to get a license in Rhode Island, which according to packing.org is technically shall-issue although some police chiefs ignore the law and refuse to issue them, doesn't mean he would be successful in MA particularly since he didn't live or have regular business in MA.

There's no suggestion that he regularly travelled to MA, and he was there visiting a dying father of a friend. He wouldn't have had time to get a MA LTC to cover his visits even if he'd tried.

If he is to be believed, there were extenuating circumstances and he had not intended to have the gun with him that night.

Given Bob's medical situation, the fact that he had attended LFI, and the fact that he had already paid the mordida for concealed carry in his home state, the jurors and the prosecutor and the judge should be ashamed of themselves. Everyone responsible for his conviction should be deported. Everyone suggesting that he should have had a MA permit ought to be deported. Blind application of the law is not a good trait in a citizen.
 
Reality check

"A MA LTC that's valid for more than just visiting the range, or between work and home, is extremely difficult to get. MA is not shall-issue. It must be twice as hard for an out-of-stater to get one."

NONSENSE!

As those who actually LIVE in the state know, It is EASIER for a NON-resident to get an LTC-A/ALP than it is for many Mass. citizens, especially those within the Route 128 belt. As this individual already held a RI license, getting the Mass. LTC would not have been that difficult.

Note further that he was found not guilty on the charges from his USE of a firearm, which was found justifiable. He did possess the gun illegally under Mass. law, which is the ONLY charge he was convicted of.

"Blind application of the law is not a good trait in a citizen."

Quite true.

Neither is running away and trying to throw away your gun. A Texan should realize that...
 
Everyone who has ccw has the knowledge that their state laws do not apply when they cross the border into another state or country.

He knew what he was doing.

And he gets to be one of the few who backed up the concept of judged by 12 instead of carried by 6.

I agree the laws suck.

However, it is impossable to not live according to the laws since they will be applied to you even if you disagree with the law.

Overall, yeah it sucks. Yeah it should be worked on to change things.

Personally I would have known about alternatives like mace or brought some friends along or maybe even gone shopping for some hair spray and lighter. It all varies by where you are going and anyone who has a ccw permit should know to attain this knowledge even if the state is like alaska where I think anyone who is a legal adult that can own firearms is allowed to carry ccw.

I won't comment on his actions after the fact. They simply bring home the reason why I doubt he will be pardoned.
 
Neither is running away and trying to throw away your gun. A Texan should realize that...
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I'm not willing to pass judgement on whether that was reasonable for someone who had an unknown prognosis after recent prostate cancer surgery, who had just visited a deathly-ill father of a friend, who had trouble walking, who hadn't even intended to take the gun into Massachusetts that night, who was accosted by some people who had just driven the wrong way down a one-way street in the rain, who then made a split-second decision to use his gun rather than take whatever the thugs dished out, and who then (rightly) panicked, believing Massachusetts courts would manage to convict him of something even though he'd acted justifiably in self-defense.

Yep, hindsight is 20/20, so talking about how he traded $60,000 and 1 year in prison for a $100/yr out-of-state permit would not be very useful.

Why's that?
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Trip, I suppose he should have gotten a CCW permit for every state he could just so if he accidentally ended up in that state with a gun he'd be legally protected? My "deport them" comment was overbroad. I was targetting that comment at people like Mas Ayoob who imply such things in published articles, not people here who are merely debating the issue in a relatively closed environment. Deporting is my new catch-all for people who I feel violate basic principles of this country. It avoids the whole messy issue of whether they really deserve to be tried for treason, at which point they risk the death penalty. Since they'd get along just fine in many other countries, I don't see any reason their lives should be put in jeopardy.

This is supposed to be a free country. We're not supposed to have to worry every time we cross a state line, but that's what we've been reduced to.
 
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