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Jimboh247

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Took the Concealed Carry Handgun class for a NC Concealed Carry Permit
today. I really think it was too easy. I feel if someone who never fired a handgun can pass it, it's not hard enough to pass.


Has anyone else taken the class for their state and found it was "too easy"?
 
In Oregon,the hunter safety course I took when I was 12 was enough training.Didn`t even touch a handgun in the class.
 
The required classes are generally less about firearms training than the legal issues of carrying and possibly using one.
For actual training in their use, it's necessary to look elsewhere.
 
There was a girl in my class that never had shot a handgun, that was able to pass the course. I had a WHOLE lot more training and testing in order to drive a car.
I think they need to make it at least a 2 day course, with more range testing, and a more difficult actual shooting test.

I feel if you cannot put 5 shots within the 9 ring from 3 yards, you need more training.
 
maybe we should have spelling and grammar tests before you express an opinion in public?

being responsible is on you.
 
Jimboh247 said:
I think they need to make it at least a 2 day course
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So you think someone should have to take a two-day course in order to excercise their right to self-defense? How much would that cost? What about the people who can't afford it or can't afford to take time off from work?

My wife spent many years in school while we were first together. We lived in states that required training, but it was too expensive for our budget and we couldn't afford for me to miss work to take a class. I've got a lot of civilian shooting experience and I was always an expert in the Marine Corps with a rifle and a pistol, but I just couldn't afford to get my permit.

Now that I live in WA, I can finally carry a concealed handgun. When we moved here we were once again on a very tight budget, but here it only costs $52.50 to get your permit. And, more importantly, it takes about 20 minutes in the police station to apply for it with no training required at all. So to get my permit I didn't have to pay for a class and then eat the cost of missing work. And that's how it should be.

It's my responsibility to get training, it's not the state's responsibility to train me.
 
When I applied for a CCW, the class was two days in length, 8 hours each and was done on Saturday and Sunday. Then Arizona decided to reduce it to one day. Nevada decided to accept Arizona's CCW permit until they reduced the class to one day, mainly at the insistance of the powers that be in Las Vegas.:mad: Like I need an excuse to not go to sin city. :rolleyes: Lived there for a while and took a strong dislike to that town.
On another note, I actually preferred the two day class. There was a lot more one on one interaction with the instructors.
Paul B.
 
It's my responsibility to get training, it's not the state's responsibility to train me.
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Personal responsibility, what a concept. I agree.

I think here in Missouri the class is 6 - 8 hours. We also had a lady and a gentleman in the class that had never fired a gun before. The lady with them said she was going to teach them both to shoot once the weather warmed up, but the permit class would give them a better understanding of the laws and made a small political statement.
 
Theohazard,
Do you think the requirement to be 21 years old in order to take the class is a hinderance on the right of self defense?

I'm not looking for a ******* contest. I just want to know if my thoughts on requirements is totally out of line.
 
Jimboh247 said:
I just want to know if my thoughts on requirements is totally out of line.
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If you answered my question, you would also answer yours.

If there are no significant problems happening due to insufficient training then what would be the rationale for increased training?

If there are problems being created, what are they?
 
In Oregon,the hunter safety course I took when I was 12 was enough training.Didn`t even touch a handgun in the class.
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Same with the one I took in Washington.
Training is a good thing and beneficial. Compulsory training as a requirement for CCW permits is nothing but another obstacle created by bureaucracy to discourage people from applying for those permits.
 
Training here was go shoot in small groups while the rest watched videos about scenarios, holster options, etc. You had to score 175 out of 250 on a B-27. You had to be able to load your own mags (or cylinder). Though I wouldn't test in TX with a revolver as they might give you a revolver only permit.

There was some discussion and a small amount of testing.

Not a class for the inexperienced.
 
Jimboh247 said:
Do you think the requirement to be 21 years old in order to take the class is a hinderance on the right of self defense?
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Nope. And that's because young people don't have the same legal rights as adults. Below a certain age, people don't have the right to own a gun, drive a car, join the military, or even make legal decisions for themselves. The only appropriate debate is, "At what age should we issue CCW permits?" If someone said a CCW permit should be issued at age 18 instead of 21, I'd be willing to listen to that. After all, I joined the Marine Corps when I was 17 and deployed with my infantry unit when I was 18.

Jimboh247 said:
I just want to know if my thoughts on requirements is totally out of line.
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I think it is. You're basically advocating for even more governmental control over a fundamental right without demonstrating that more control is even needed.

Before I ever had any official handgun training (besides the Marine Corps, and my handgun training there was extremely minimal; they don't care about handguns in the Marine Corps infantry), I was able to pass the shooting portion of the Washington State Criminal Justice Training Commission's Handgun Instructors' Course. That's the course that law enforcement handgun instructors have to take in my state. It was the required course of shooting to be allowed to carry a gun at my old job at a range/LGS/training facility. And at the same time, I saw many police officers shoot at our range who were absolutely horrible, and I guarantee they had more handgun trianing than most states require for a CCW permit.

My point is that a CCW course -- no matter how long -- will not necessarily give someone the skills required to be proficient or safe with their handguns. That's up to them and their own level of responsibility and judgement.
 
Maybe we should give people a test before they can vote? How about you must have a college degree before you can write a letter to your Senator? :rolleyes:
 
Do you think the requirement to be 21 years old in order to take the class is a hinderance on the right of self defense?
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Old enough to vote or be in the armed forces - old enough to carry a handgun to defend themselves, but that's just me.
 
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