Carry on own property?

RightToCarry

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I work nights, and my wife (very proficient with her Kahr 9mm) must sometimes take our little Pomeranian outside in the fenced in back yard to do it's business around 2 or 3 in the morning (the pups still young).

The problem - we're smack dab in the middle of a large urban neighborhood (not the best of areas) and she feels better about going outside if she's slipped her Kahr into her jacket pocket - the dog sometimes takes a while to do it's business.

In casual conversation with the owner of my friendly neighborhood gun shop I was told that going outside (even in our own backyard) with a gun in her pocket is a violation of the law. Being on our own property / in our own back yard makes no difference - once we leave our 'residence proper' (the house) it's concealed carry... :eek: :confused:

Our fenced in backyard is our property. You can't "carry" on your own land? What about ranchers who maintain acres and acres of land - they can't carry while they're out working in their fields?
 
Can't do generalities when questioning law violation. It's state specific, which is why your state of residence is important.

I'm no lawyer, but here's what I found on Packing.Org. I bolded what I felt were relevant areas during my cursory review. I suggest you contact your DA's office or sheriffs office to be sure.

Missouri Revised Statutes said:
August 28, 2005

Unlawful use of weapons--exceptions--penalties.
571.030.
1. A person commits the crime of unlawful use of weapons if he or she knowingly:

(1) Carries concealed upon or about his or her person a knife, a firearm, a blackjack or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use; or

(2) Sets a spring gun; or

(3) Discharges or shoots a firearm into a dwelling house, a railroad train, boat, aircraft, or motor vehicle as defined in section 302.010, RSMo, or any building or structure used for the assembling of people; or

(4) Exhibits, in the presence of one or more persons, any weapon readily capable of lethal use in an angry or threatening manner; or

(5) Possesses or discharges a firearm or projectile weapon while intoxicated; or

(6) Discharges a firearm within one hundred yards of any occupied schoolhouse, courthouse, or church building; or

(7) Discharges or shoots a firearm at a mark, at any object, or at random, on, along or across a public highway or discharges or shoots a firearm into any outbuilding; or

(8) Carries a firearm or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any church or place where people have assembled for worship, or into any election precinct on any election day, or into any building owned or occupied by any agency of the federal government, state government, or political subdivision thereof; or

(9) Discharges or shoots a firearm at or from a motor vehicle, as defined in section 301.010, RSMo, discharges or shoots a firearm at any person, or at any other motor vehicle, or at any building or habitable structure, unless the person was lawfully acting in self-defense; or

(10) Carries a firearm, whether loaded or unloaded, or any other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.

2. Subdivisions (1), (3), (4), (6), (7), (8), (9) and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to or affect any of the following:

(1) All state, county and municipal peace officers who have completed the training required by the** police officer standards and training commission pursuant to sections 590.030 to 590.050, RSMo, and possessing the duty and power of arrest for violation of the general criminal laws of the state or for violation of ordinances of counties or municipalities of the state, whether such officers are on or off duty, and whether such officers are within or outside of the law enforcement agency's jurisdiction, or any person summoned by such officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while actually engaged in assisting such officer;

(2) Wardens, superintendents and keepers of prisons, penitentiaries, jails and other institutions for the detention of persons accused or convicted of crime;

(3) Members of the armed forces or national guard while performing their official duty;

(4) Those persons vested by article V, section 1 of the Constitution of Missouri with the judicial power of the state and those persons vested by Article III of the Constitution of the United States with the judicial power of the United States, the members of the federal judiciary;

(5) Any person whose bona fide duty is to execute process, civil or criminal;

(6) Any federal probation officer;

(7) Any state probation or parole officer, including supervisors and members of the board of probation and parole;

(8) Any corporate security advisor meeting the definition and fulfilling the requirements of the regulations established by the board of police commissioners under section 84.340, RSMo; and

(9) Any coroner, deputy coroner, medical examiner, or assistant medical examiner.

3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is transporting such weapons in a nonfunctioning state or in an unloaded state when ammunition is not readily accessible or when such weapons are not readily accessible. Subdivision (1) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply to any person twenty-one years of age or older transporting a concealable firearm in the passenger compartment of a motor vehicle, so long as such concealable firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed, nor when the actor is also in possession of an exposed firearm or projectile weapon for the lawful pursuit of game, or is in his or her dwelling unit or upon premises over which the actor has possession, authority or control, or is traveling in a continuous journey peaceably through this state. Subdivision (10) of subsection 1 of this section does not apply if the firearm is otherwise lawfully possessed by a person while traversing school premises for the purposes of transporting a student to or from school, or possessed by an adult for the purposes of facilitation of a school-sanctioned firearm-related event.

4. Subdivisions (1), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to any person who has a valid concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 or a valid permit or endorsement to carry concealed firearms issued by another state or political subdivision of another state.

5. Subdivisions (3), (4), (5), (6), (7), (8), (9), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section shall not apply to persons who are engaged in a lawful act of defense pursuant to section 563.031, RSMo.

6. Nothing in this section shall make it unlawful for a student to actually participate in school-sanctioned gun safety courses, student military or ROTC courses, or other school-sponsored firearm-related events, provided the student does not carry a firearm or other weapon readily capable of lethal use into any school, onto any school bus, or onto the premises of any other function or activity sponsored or sanctioned by school officials or the district school board.

7. Unlawful use of weapons is a class D felony unless committed pursuant to subdivision (6), (7), or (8) of subsection 1 of this section, in which cases it is a class B misdemeanor, or subdivision (5) or (10) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class A misdemeanor if the firearm is unloaded and a class D felony if the firearm is loaded, or subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section, in which case it is a class B felony, except that if the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section results in injury or death to another person, it is a class A felony.

8. Violations of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section shall be punished as follows:

(1) For the first violation a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony;

(2) For any violation by a prior offender as defined in section 558.016, RSMo, a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony without the possibility of parole, probation or conditional release for a term of ten years;

(3) For any violation by a persistent offender as defined in section 558.016, RSMo, a person shall be sentenced to the maximum authorized term of imprisonment for a class B felony without the possibility of parole, probation, or conditional release;

(4) For any violation which results in injury or death to another person, a person shall be sentenced to an authorized disposition for a class A felony.

9. Any person knowingly aiding or abetting any other person in the violation of subdivision (9) of subsection 1 of this section shall be subject to the same penalty as that prescribed by this section for violations by other persons.

(RSMo 1939 § 4425, A.L. 1959 H.B. 43, A.L. 1981 H.B. 296, A.L. 1993 H.B. 562 merged with S.B. 250, A.L. 1995 H.B. 160, A.L. 1997 S.B. 367, A.L. 1998 S.B. 478, A.L. 2000 S.B. 944, A.L. 2003 H.B. 349, et al. merged with S.B. 5)
Prior revisions: 1929 § 4031; 1919 § 3277; 1909 § 4498

Effective 6-27-03 (S.B. 5)

10-11-03 (H.B. 349, et al., see § 21.250)

*Transferred 1978; formerly 562.070

*House Bill 349, et al., 2003, was vetoed on July 3, 2003. The veto was overridden on September 11, 2003.

**Word "the" does not appear in original rolls.

CROSS REFERENCES: Discharging a firearm or weapon at a railroad train or railmounted work equipment while committing a trespass to railroad property, class D felony, RSMo 389.653

Violation of this section may also be a hate crime, RSMo 557.035

(2001) Where defendant exhibited unlawful weapon at distinct times and places and with the requisite intent, each exhibition constitutes a separate offense under section. State v. Barber, 37 S.W.3d 400 (Mo.App.E.D.).
 
JEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZUS, gimme a break!!

I was told that going outside (even in our own backyard) with a gun in her pocket is a violation of the law. Being on our own property / in our own back yard makes no difference - once we leave our 'residence proper' (the house) it's concealed carry...
In my humble opinion, this is a king-sized load of horse feces - it sounds like it's time to move to a location where submitting to robbery/rape/murder/maiming just because you are in your own yard is not enforced by "The Law.":barf: :barf:

Getting a CCW permit may be an option, but if "The Law" is so controlling and heavy-handed that you can't even carry in your own back yard, it is probably next to impossible to get a CCW permit, too.

It used to be that what a person did in their back yard was nobody's d@mn business, but then America used to be a free country, too...:barf: :barf:
 
In my humble opinion, this is a king-sized load of horse feces - it sounds like it's time to move to a location where submitting to robbery/rape/murder/maiming just because you are in your own yard is not enforced by "The Law."

No, it's time to read the actual text of the law as posted two replies above yours.

Specifically, it's time to read:
3. Subdivisions (1), (5), (8), and (10) of subsection 1 of this section do not apply when the actor is ... in his or her dwelling unit [highlight]or upon premises over which the actor has possession[/highlight].

If you have possession of the property, then the law does not apply.

LawDog
 
progunner1957 said:
Sorry - I read about half the post and became violently ill from translating "lawyerese" and had to stop
Amen. Now I know why these guys deserve their pay. :cool:
 
Yes,

It would have been better to post the law a little less long... just the exclussion part. As I read it, In MO you can carry on your person in your home or on your property. In fact it doesn't probably have to be yours just in your possession... as in if you rent or lease. Gun store clerks about probably just a little better informed about gun laws than the police. Who the heck is going to know she has a gun out there at 2 in the morning other than some dead sob?
 
My wife and I have discussed this (her carrying a weapon outside in our yard) on several occassions. She's a very level headed lady - (a 'modern type woman' if you will) and she has told me that she would never, ever, even pull the gun from her pocket because of some moron with abusive remarks, dirty comments, whatever, just passing through the alley or standing outside of the fence. But let them actually jump the fence (the gate is kept locked) and come into the yard her assumption would have to be that they were coming after her, and she wouldn't hesitate to show the weapon while attempting to warn them off, and then do whatever was necessary to protect herself while she was trying to get back inside the house...

'Sounds like a plan' to me...
 
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