Caps did not fire.

BML

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Last night I had a number of misfirers where the cap did not go off at first attempt but it did on the second.
Could this be because they were a year or two old?
Could it be because they were not seated properly and if so is there a tool that one could use to push them firmly home with the danger of setting them off?
I have looked at a thread on this forum about what action should be taken when a cap does not fire and I'm obliged to say that all I do is to keep firing untill that cap comes round again and for the better part it does fire. I have never thought of this as a risky act but I'm not so sure now. I would welcome any comments.
 
It's because they're not seated. You can use a piece of wood dowel, some people lower the hammer and use the hammer to seat them. Caps are not pressure sensitive, pressure alone will not set them off.
 
And if they aren't seating properly fairly easily, they may be too small. I tried #10 CCI caps on my Ruger Old Army and experienced exactly what you describe; first hammer strike just sat the caps ... second fired them. Went to #11 caps and they seated easily, stayed put, and fire first time every time.
 
Caps are not pressure sensitive, pressure alone will not set them off

HH, would you please restate that? It could be dangerously confusing for a beginner.

I'll ditto the wrong size caps. He needs to change.
 
You need IMPACT to detonate a cap. Steady pressure won't do it. The technique is to point the muzzle in a safe direction. Make sure all your body parts are behind the cylinder mouth & then hold the hammer while pulling the trigger. Then slowly lower the hammer onto the capped nipple & push up & in with the thumb of the strong hand.:)
 
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Caps are not pressure sensitive, pressure alone will not set them off


HH, would you please restate that? It could be dangerously confusing for a beginner.


No, because it's the truth. You can put all the pressure you possibly can on one and it won't go off. Like Wogpotter said it takes impact to set one off. He may not need to change cap sizes. He may just need to make sure they're seated.
 
BML, you may need to try a larger, shorter or differant brand of cap... if yur using CCI go to a #10 or #11 Remington Cap for example.

If unsure about the seating just try a cap that fits ... be careful & safe.
Once you become a grand master with Cap & Ball Guns and read up on it all or ask enough questions then proceed at yur own comfort level.
Have fun,
SG
 
I would not necessarily declare that a cap can't be set off with pressure alone as there is a photo of Cuts Crooked's thumb (after it healed) that was split open when a cap he was seating with his thumbnail exploded and the loaded chamber went off.
Use a wooden 3/8" dowel cut at a slight slant as a push stick.
 
I'm betting there's more to the story than he's telling. I've put all the pressure I possibly could on one with a wooden dowel and couldn't make it go off but it fired when I dropped the hammer on it.
 
one thing you can do to reassure yourself....with an empty gun....place a cap on the nipples...and see if you can get it to go off...with just pressure....use a finger....can wear a glove ifya want...use a wood dowel..anything you choose....just learn what it takes to get a cap to pop
 
It takes P-E-R-C-U-S-S-I-O-N !

I agree with HH.

I've put them in a smooth jawed vise and cranked it down....no fire.

Here is a before and after photo.....

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I do not believe we were told the whole story.
 

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Item #1. Thanks, that saves me the trouble of doing that test.:)

Item #2. I use an inline capper & always use as much pressure as possible, then I use even more by using the hammer to seat even more. I've yet to have an A/N D with either pressure being used.:D
 
From your original post I could not determine if you had a rifle, shotgun or revolver. Then I noticed, "all I do is to keep firing untill that cap comes round again"

Okay, that tells me it's a revolver.

Anytime the caps give me trouble on my Colt-pattern revolver, I look for a fragment of flattened cap in the frame's hammer channel, under the hammer.
This prevents the hammer from fully reaching the cap, or at least striking it with full force.
This may be your problem.
Or, as others noted, you may not have fully seated the cap.
Cap fragments in the hammer channel may be down low, difficult to see because they're covered with fouling.
A small screwdriver run down the channel will dislodge them, but it's best to do this with the revolver upside down so any fragments fall free.

As for caps being set off by thumb pressure: The late gun writer Elmer Keith wrote in his 1955 classic book, Sixguns:

"One should select a cap size that is a snug push fit on the nipples, but not tight enough to prevent their seating fully down on the nipple. A couple times I have had muzzle loading rifles fire when I pressed the cap down too hard on the nipple. The caps were a bit small and I forced them down, splitting them. Each time they fired from the pressure with the ball of my thumb, they raised instantly a healthy blister."

Now, I'll jump the gun here and make a couple of points before others scramble over their keyboards:

1. Keith was known to embellish. I knew a woman years ago whose husband was an Idaho Fish & Game officer in the Salmon, Idaho area where Keith lived. He knew Keith well and unsuccessfully tried a number of times to apprehend him for poaching game.
She was not a fan of Keith, considering him to be a big windbag that walked around town with two .44 revolvers on his hip everywhere he went. The locals snickered at him, she said, for his posturing and exaggeration.
For me, who had long been a Keith admirer, it was quite a revelation. Yet, I knew this woman well and believe her.
So, perhaps what Keith wrote above is untrue or embellished.

Or ...

Keith likely used caps made with fulminate of mercury, which is reportedly more sensitive than today's modern percussion caps.
I'm not sure what substance is used in today's percussion caps, probably something identical or akin to modern primers. Whatever it is, modern percussion caps no longer contain mercury and haven't since probably the 1940s, or even earlier.

It is difficult to diagnose what your revolver problem is, but I'd guess that either cap fragments in the hammer channel, caps too small for the nipples or caps that haven't been seated.
There is also the possibility that the nipples are a tad too short and the hammer doesn't fully reach the cap.

If any one of us were there, we could probably spot the bugaboo in a minute.
I hope you find the cause.
 
A capper wont seat, it wasn't made for it.
Actually I've found the inline ones with a single spring do a pretty god job as long as the caps match the nipple sizes. I still do the extra step with the hammer though as it gives me a 99% change of firing instead of a 95% one:eek::D
 
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