Canadian jerk mayor blames U.S. for its violent crime

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Canadian jerk blames U.S. for its violent crime -- as though it can't happen without guns from the U.S.

"It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.
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Why not say what you mean, jerk? You mean "lack of an outright gun ban." We have no shortage of laws pertaining to guns, gun manufacture, gun purchase, gun sale, gun ownership, gun use... What you are bitching about is that we haven't BANNED guns so that there wouldn't BE any to find their way up to your precious little utopia.


Miller said Toronto, a city of nearly three million, is still very safe compared to most American cities, but the illegal flow of weapons from the United States is causing the noticeable rise in gun violence.

"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto," he said.
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Ad nauseum. :barf:

First off, GUNS do not equal VIOLENCE. Raise your hand here in TFL if you own at least five guns. Now keep your hand raised if you've ever so much as shot AT another human being unless it was in war or in lawful self-defense. See what I mean? Even if it is illegal guns coming to Canada from the U.S., VIOLENCE and A TENDENCY TOWARD VIOLENT ACTS is not the same as the guns themselves. If American guns got there but there were no criminals who wanted to use them in crime, they would not end up used to kill innocents.

How do we know it's not Canadian criminals coming here with forged identification and buying guns to smuggle back up north? Are they alleging that some Americans are bringing guns up to a hole in a fence and exchanging them for money from Canadian criminals? Are they alleging that American gun smugglers are bringing guns into Canada personally with the express intention of engaging in the illegal sale of guns to Canadians who are not permitted to have them?

Well...
I guess Canada can get back at us by continuing to harbor terrorists, and continuing to let illegal drugs grown there be exported to cause drug problems and drug-related violence down here. :rolleyes:


-azurefly
 
Interesting.

Not only are guns, well, guns, they're also mind control devices that make those mild & meek Canadians go on vicious rampages.
 
azurefly--

Hand up here for owning more than 5 guns (I'm a little low right now). So far none of them have jumped out of the safe and killed anyone, although they are certainly up to the task if necessary for defense of Self, Family, or Home.


Two other things that were in the article. One was an acknowlegement that Toronto has a growing gang problem and that Social Programs have been reduced that apparently had the natives in check prior to the latest crime spree. Gee, gangs at the center of gun related deaths. Where have we seen or heard this before? I'm sure that outlawing just about everything will be as effective in Canada as it has here. After all, everyone knows that gangs are the most law abiding segment of society :barf: so any law banning guns will keep them out of gangsters hands (coughing sound inserted here that sounds like "Bu!!$hit").

Lets hear it for the success of socialism. It failed in an eastern country where it was essentially the state religion and it looks like it might be on its way to failure in Canada too. Of course one can divert attention from THEIR problem by blaming it on US. Will keep them from having to face reality for some time.
 
Wait,wait....... Isn't it ILLEGAL to take a gun into Canada in the first place? Seems to me all we need are more laws to make it more illegal. That'll work!

Steve
 
Hopefully, the more they blather on and make their claim loudly, the more opportunity that will create for people to rebut their stupidity with fact and logic, though.


-azurefly
 
Miller(twit) said:
"The U.S. is exporting its problem of violence to the streets of Toronto,"
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so when in doubt blame the u.s.

bull-****!

so if it's ILLEGAL to take a gun into little ol' innocence canada.shouldn't the canadian border patrol do a better job at stopping them at the border?

am i right or am i wrong?
 
Clearly, if you are blaming Canada for Canada's problems, rather than some country other than Canada, you are wrong.


It's also our fault they sent cows with Mad Cow Disease down to our food supply. :mad:
Couldn'ta been their fault!


-azurefly
 
The mayor is right and we are responsible. Tell Hollywood to stop making violent movies. Tell Hollywood to stop putting violence on TV. Tell the video game makers to stop the violence in the games.
 
toronto mayor vs gun owners

Well guys as a Canuck of the north I'm pretty upset too! BUT NOT ALL CANADAIANS are like the Urban elite.If you ban anything it should be Gangsta Rap Crap with lets kill Cops and whitey,and be a crip or blood gangsta!! Its not the guns that are coming into Canada its the damn rapcrap and killem videos, violence has no borders Azurefly ! I'm not sure what to do but dont blame us "weak"Canadians. Hey my Dad landed on Normandy too and fought all the way to Germany. Never said anythng bad about the "YANKS" in fact was always jealous of the M1 Garand,(by the way john Garand was a Canadian too) :confused: Jiminthecorner
 
Its not the guns that are coming into Canada its the damn rapcrap and killem videos
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Rap music causes about as much crime as guns cause crime. The problem lies in the people, not the object or the message. Find me a popular rap or hip hop song that in any way advocates the killing of police officers or white people. Racism against musicians won't solve any more problems than gun control.

Instead of blaming the real people responsible it's customary to blame Eminem and Ludacris or Grand Theft Auto: Vice City and Bruce Willis. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, you're right; the rap music comes from people who are already living lives of crime.

But I think it's also true that listening to that poison can help turn people who are not yet gangsters and criminals on to that kind of "glorified" lifestyle.

I'm not saying ban it. I'm saying that I wish society would just SHUN it as the S#!T that it truly is.



-azurefly
 
Yes, you're right; the rap music comes from people who are already living lives of crime.
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Ah, so country music written by trailer trash mulletheads that beat their wives, sleep with their sisters, and drive their pickemup trucks trashed on Coors lights are not living lives of crime? Or rock music by heroin lovers that trash hotel rooms and encourage teens into porn are the epitome of morality?

Who do you listen to that is so honorable and crime free?

I'm not saying ban it. I'm saying that I wish society would just SHUN it as the S#!T that it truly is.
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Then with all due respect, I'm thrilled that your opinions are not shared by open minded folks of society that can see and understand the ideas behind music and freedom of expression.
 
How about also taking some responsibility for the weapons being there. They didn't teleport themselves there, they got past Canadian officers. I know it's a tough job and they do a great job, but if the fool's going to start throwing stones...
 
Maybe a bunch of those "protesters" that left in the 60's to avoid service in the military eventually ended up in CDN Politics. Somehow the thoughts expressed seem to have a familiar ring. Heard a lot like it before and after I went overseas ('65-67).
 
Rap music does indeed glorify violence, to the Nth degree more than other types. That's a fact. This in addition to it being putrid feces (but that's only my opinion, not a fact). But like the man said, it should not be banned, just shunned. In any event, I guess we exported the rap music to the peaceniks canucks, too. Damned free airwaves!
 
Then I guess you and the others have never listened to much rap. There's a distinct difference between glorification of something and the exposition of how it affected your life.

If Garth Brooks had grown up a little black boy in the ghetto surrounded by gang warfare and corrupt police he'd be singing different lyrics too. Just because y'all don't like the music doesn't mean it's any more nefarious than whatever you guys listen to.
 
got a few pretty cool and level headed Canuk friends... Just remember guys, not all Canadians are as narrow minded and wrong as our mayoral subject here...

As for rap? They don't call it rapcrap for nothing - I've no love for many forms of free speech, but I'd not ban any of 'em. :barf:
 
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