Can you justify a 20ga for me?

300magman

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Its partly that I needed an excuse to buy a new gun, and partly that I was thinking I could use a smaller shotgun. But once I really looked into it I soon discovered the selection of guage is not such an easy matter. I've always hunted upland birds with an old 870 Wingmaster 2 3/4" 12ga model with a fixed full choke.....it was all I had, until I recently acquired a newer 12ga 3” adjustable choke model.

Thinking my old gun was overkill and over-choked I though I would see what 16ga had to offer, only to discover they are becoming very rare and that 20ga is now the only midsized Wingmaster available. Besides this, 16 ga is limited to 2 3/4" shells and seemingly have low capacities compared to 3" 20ga shells.....

This is where the my thinking may differ from many; Though this would be my upland bird gun, I often pass by ponds that occasionally hold waterfowl, and I carry a deer licence at the same time. So I like to keep a few big thumping waterfowl rounds and some buckshot on my belt even when upland hunting.

Though it is pretty rare that I shoot anything other than partridge, I still like to be armed with the option. And it seems that 20ga upland shells pack nearly the capacity of the 12ga anyway (7/8 vs 1oz light loads, and both have 1 1/4oz heavy field loads). So it seems hard for me to see an advantage to the 20ga, when it appears the 12ga can be just as gentle on upland birds and still hammer bigger game.

I do see some weight savings though, the 20ga comes in 2/3rds of a pound lighter than the 7lb 12ga. But that doesn’t seem significant to me…So I guess I’m left wondering, why are 20ga so popular.
 
I like the benelli montefeltro. Super light 20 ga....but i'll stick with the 12....

Sorry dude I cant justify it : )


12 ga. is more popular, has a wider selection of rounds that are READILY available....just more generic. 20 ga. is definitely #2 on the list though dont get me wrong...
 
Why is a 20ga popular .... well part of it is competition shooting. In sporting clays and Skeet - there are seperate competitions for 12, 20, 28ga and .410 .....so that spurs some of it / maybe a lot of it. ( there is no competition for a 16ga / so that's kind of put the 16ga on the outside looking in.) In competition / its not unusual to see someone shooting a 20ga in a 12ga competition - especially if they shoot it well. You can't shoot a 12ga in a 20ga competition / but you can go the other way - and some of the best Skeet shooters in the world use a 20ga for both events.

Some people like a 20ga / because typically its about 1 lb lighter ...and carrying it in the field all day - the 1 lb does make a difference ( same on the 28ga )..

Part of it, is just having more than one shotgun ....filling out the Herd a little ....and a 20ga and a 28ga and a .410 ...do that.

You can make a 12ga perform balistically like a 20ga / by loading it down to 7/8oz of shot .... or you can load a 20ga up to 1 oz ...so its more like a 12ga. But the 12ga is more versatile ...because you can get higher capacity loads / and more low capacity loads.

But there is just something special about shooting a 20ga ( or a 28ga ) ...and it just makes me feel good. So sure, I would say add a 20ga just for the heck of it. An 870 is fine / personally my pump guns are Browning BPS's - but I have them in 12ga and 20ga .... I also like O/U's in 20, 28ga and .410 ...and my preference is to Browning again ( like the Citori XS Skeet models). The lighter guns in 20ga and 28ga are also good training guns for new shooters / young shooters ....if that helps you justify it too. Ammo is readily available for 12ga and 20ga / if you get into 28ga or the .410 it really helps to start reloading ( 28ga ammo around here is about $ 16 for a box of 25 / and I reload them for about $2.50 a box ) ...

But I'll never be without at least one 20ga ...( or 28ga or a .410 ) ....as well as a 12ga.
 
In the field, especially with O/U and SxS. the weight difference can be significant - over a pound. That's some serious weight when you're walking all day.

The 20 will break any clay target out there and take most upland birds with equal ease as the 12, but do it lighter, faster-swinging, and with an ease of carrying either in the crook of the arm, or just in your palm
 
My friends, BigJimP and oneounceload, make many valid points; but, I think you've answered your own question. To you, the weight savings isn't important, to many it's the deciding factor.

There are many folks who select a 20-ga gun thinking it's softer shooting than a nasty, big bad 12-ga. Obviously they've never fired a 1-oz 3" 20-ga and a 1-oz 2 3/4" 12-ga for comparison, else there would be fewer 20-ga guns sold.

There is a group who honestly prefer the 20-ga as a conventional (smooth bore) slug gun over the 12-ga. If you carried slugs, instead of buck shot for that occasional deer, you might be a member of that group.
 
I have a 20 that belonged to my grandfather. I rarely use it. I have 12's that weight 7 lbs. Anything lighter I do not shoot well, and I can get 12 guage shells that duplicate 20 guage loads and recoil. I cannot justify a 20.

If having an even lighter gun is important to you then maybe. Just remember that a 5-6 lb 20 guage is going to kick worse than a 7 lb 12 guage.
 
+1 A kid I shoot with had a single shot 20 ga. He insist on shooting IT more than my 8 lb 12 ga..... It kicks worse than my 12 ga! Hard plastic butt plate, super light.... He just has it in his head 20 ga recoil<12 ga recoil. Which isnt always the case.
 
I see a lot of ladies and young shooters ruined by some meathead giving them a light 20ga ...and it beats the daylights out of them....

I agree the weight of the gun is a huge factor in calculating recoil ( but "Fit" is the number one issue on any shotgun ) ... even a .410 can bite someone if it jumps up into their cheekbone improperly because the comb doesn't fit them right.
 
I like the 20 when I'm bird/rabbit hunting. Mine fits me well and I like the weight of it.

However, if I had shot a lot of 12's first it may not be as good for me. Really is personal taste. So long as the right ammo is selected I think the 12 or 20 will both do most jobs fine.
 
Light weight and low recoil are at opposite ends of the shotgun spectrum. There are numerous recoil calculators out there - by plugging in the numbers, you'll find that light 20s can, and usually do, have more recoil than a heavy 12, especially when the twelve is using light target loads.

Personally, I do not mind using my target 20 gauge for sporting - at 7.25# it is a pound lighter than my 12, but then I reload a light target load for it - targets break just as nicely when I do my part.

If you use a 20 mostly for upland, then a 20 for sporting would allow commonality of components, especially if you shoot sporting "for fun"
 
I quit using a 12 gauge ten years ago, except on rare occasions. I love a 20 gauge. Nothing like it for me as old age creeps up on me. My Franchi 48 is a dream come true.
 
In my rack are:
bolt action .410
2 pump action 20 gauges, one smooth, one rifled
single shot 12 gauge
pump action 12 gauge
semi-auto 12 gauge
single shot 10 gauge

Locked up are a double, and 2 Browning semi auto's

The gun I grab for chuckles is the .410, for belly laughs the 10 gauge and for almost everything else the pump action smooth bore. Turkey to squirrel to deer to just busting up bottles of water. Its also my HD gun just because its the one that fits me best, I shoot the most and the one gun I can shoot with complete and utter confidence. Nothing wrong with the other guns and they all get shot but the 20 is my baby. Go gettem cowboy, you are gonna love it.

For those getting banged by the 20 don't blame the gun or the gauge, blame the fit of the gun. Get a decent butt pad, get the stock adjusted to the shooter and teach the shooter how to shoot it.
 
No reason

Yeah they are cute, but with the variety of 12 bores available (both guns & loads) there is just no reason to buy a 20 bore. 12s also pattern better.
 
I much perfer to shoot my 20 ga over my 12 ga shotguns. They point better for me, and swing better for me. My absolute favorite shotgun in the safe is actually my first over under and it's a Ruger Red Label with an English stock.
 
12s also pattern better.

Based on what? More pellets in a particular load? Pattern density is determined by choke, not bore size. I have a 28 whose IC choke is on the tighter side of that choke designation - patterns as well as my 12 or 20 with the same designation
 
I go along with Mike. Your problem is what to buy. There are many very nice 20 ga's out there new and used. If you can find a Ithaca 37 or maybe a Franchi AL48 in 20 gauge both are great guns to carry and shoot. Use it as a 20 not a 12gauge wanna be, very enjoyable to shoot.
 
Can you justify a 20ga for me?
Sure, I can! Just go buy it, and if your wife/SO says anything, just tell her I said it was OK. If she has any questions, she can call me.

Seriously, I really like a 20 ga, they carry nicely, point well, swing like a dream, and just flat knock the pheasants out of the sky. I shoot an old 1955 Browning A5 chambered for 2-3/4" shells, and I have never felt like I needed more pellets in the air. If I miss, I know who's fault it is, and more pellets would not make a difference. And when I hit what I'm shooting at, there's feathers in the air where the pheasant used to be, and a happy dog jumping over the weeds towards the bird.

If it weren't for the non-toxic shot issue, I would shoot the 20 all the time. But since 12 ga steel is cheaper than 20 ga bismuth, sometimes the 12 gets to go for a walk.
 
I have a .20 and a .12 gauge, Mossberg bolt action and Remington pump.
The .20 has less recoil than the .12 and my wife and oldest prefer to shoot it over the .12. Part of the reason is the reduced recoil, the other is that the .20 is not as long.
 
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