California:series 70 1911's banned in 2001'

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jnixp

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I was just at a gun shop in San Francisco, and a Ca. DOJ agent was there giving the owner some info about AB15,the "junk gun" law that will take effect Jan.1st,2001.The DOJ agent informed him that ALL 1911's that do not have a firing pin safety will not be legal to sell next year.That list is includes EVERY mfg. of 1911's except the Colt and Para Ordnance. Kimber,Springfield,STI,Les Baer etc. will need to be mfg. as a series 80 pistol in order to become legal next year.I hope all of the companies concerned are going to upgrade the guns to series 80.But in the mean time,if you live in California,and you want a new series 70 type Les Bae, Kimber or whatever,you had better get it ASAP!!!!

[This message has been edited by jnixp (edited September 20, 2000).]
 
I'm confused, Maybe you were just typing fast but it appears in your notice that Kimber etc. are Excepted in the ban as well as Colt and Para. however, I'm guessing you mean that ALL firearms without the firingpin safety are to be Banned. Please clarify.

[This message has been edited by Gonzo_308 (edited September 20, 2000).]
 
Also the SIG P-210? Golly, what will the centerfire folks do in an NRA
pistol match if they live in CA?
 
Hmmm...

I must have heard it differently. I thought they were banning handguns without an external safety, not necesarily those without a firing pin safety. If that's the case, then all Glocks, Sigs, HKs, and revolvers would be banned. What I believe the DOJ is trying to get rid of are those little Saturday Night Specials you can pick up for $50 (Lorcin, Davis, Jennings,etc.)

If anyone could help clarify this issue, I'd appreciate it!
 
voodoo,

The Jennings, Lorcins and Davises HAVE manual safeties...



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Make mine lean, mean, and 9x19!
 
I think the problem is that those who passed this bill WANT to ban ALL guns, but they knew that would be tough to pass even in California, so they SAY they are trying to ban cheap, unsafe, "Saturday Night Special" type guns. This makes many casual gun owners feel okay about it. But the bill is written so that may very fine, popular, and safe handguns will be banned. Even guns that meet all the criteria (manual external safety, etc.) can't be sold until they undergo and pass extensive lab testing.

Who is going to submit older discontinued guns for such testing (at their own expense) so they can be approved?

What about guns without manual safeties, such as Glocks, Kel-Tecs, Kahrs, Walther P99s, etc? Unless there is some exemption for these, I believe they will all be banned.

I think this law is going to be a huge problem for California's handgun enthusiasts (including me), yet few seem to know much about it.

Doug
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by voodoo:
Hmmm...

I must have heard it differently. I thought they were banning handguns without an external safety, not necesarily those without a firing pin safety. If that's the case, then all Glocks, Sigs, HKs, and revolvers would be banned. What I believe the DOJ is trying to get rid of are those little Saturday Night Specials you can pick up for $50 (Lorcin, Davis, Jennings,etc.)

If anyone could help clarify this issue, I'd appreciate it![/quote]

Why would HK's be banned? I must have one of those rare USPc.45's with a frame mounted safety ;).
 
9x19:

That's VERY interesting. I didn't know they had safeties. If that's the case, then I wonder how AB15 is supposed to work to ban them?

EricM:

You're right...my bad. I should know better (though I will admit, I do have a "banned" HK - a USP Tactical!)

I also "heard" that Glocks would probably be exempt due to the high percentage of LE in Kalifornia that are using (or have approved the use of) them.

What gets me is the possibility that ALL wheelguns will be missing from the shelves come 1/1/2001!!! Now that sucks!
 
Jnixp,
Remember, they also have to pass the drop test by the certified testing agency that doesn't exist yet.
Check your dealer in October for the official approved list of guns that passed their criteria.
I wouldn't be surprised if the list was one page long and looked like a Polar Bear taking a dump in a snowstorm. :rolleyes:; :mad:; :mad:
 
I'm going to attend a meeting for dealers in early Oct.The DOJ is going to try to answer the many questions this bad law is going to bring.So far,it has been verified by the DOJ that glock has,in fact obtained an exemption.The only thing I can tell you for sure about this law and all the other idiotic Ca. gun laws is that they are always confusing,make no sense,and won't do a damn thing to fight crime,just deprive 10 million law abiding Ca. gun owners of their rights.
 
Just understand that Kalif., is totally controlled by the communistnazis. They have one goal and that is to eventually ban and confiscate ALL FIREARMS from the honest serfs.

Incrementalism; yard by yard, step by step, inch by inch. They WILL ban all guns, and the police and fed thugs will be used to conifscate guns and murder anyone who resists or even gives the slightest impression of resisting.

The communistnazi politicians and media and academic members will laugh and cheer and be totally thrilled at the implementation of the Great Final Solution For Gun Owning Vermin.

J.B.
 
"The test includes dropping, from a fixed height, in 5 or 6 different angles and 600 rounds through the weapon."

If you want a Kimber, nows the time to buy one! :D

Hey, maybe I can get $50 and a pair of Clippers tickets for mine at one of their "Buybacks" !
 
The FBI adopted a springfield 1911 as a carry gun. If I remember correctly it had to pass numerous tests including drop tests. It doesn't have a firing pin safety. I think it has just an extra power firing pin spring. So why couldn't springfield, kimber and other 1911's pass a california drop test. Just a thought.
 
I can't tell you about CA laws, but I can tell you about the current "consumer safety" regulations in MA. It is my understanding that there may be some similarity between the two.

Here in MA, sales of new M1911s are banned. Among other things, the regulations require either a "chamber-loaded indicator" or a magazine safety. On guns with an external extractor, some manufacturers (like HK) are making a "chamber-loaded indicator" simpy by adding a touch of red paint to the top of the extractor. Since M1911s have internal extractors, they don't have that option. And they don't have magazine safeties as well.

Also, most manufacturers have not done the drop testing either. At the present time, the only new guns we can buy in MA are most S&W and SigArms. Other manufacturers will be able to meet the MA regulations if and when they do the necessary testing, but until then, the shelves are pretty bare.

Jared
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Since M1911s have internal extractors, they don't have that option. And they don't have magazine safeties as well.[/quote]

Under the Mass. regs, it' either/or. SIGs, which don't have magazine safeties, comply by having a witness hole in the chamber. More likely to cause safety problems than solve them, IMO, but that's another issue. A 1911 could comply in the same way, if anyone cared about a small, one-state market.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Glocks would probably be exempt due to the high percentage of LE[/quote]

I'd be shocked. It's much more simple simply to exempt purchases for duty use (what Mass. regs do) or by LEOs (more favorable for LEOs).

I understand there's something similar going on in Maryland now, too.
 
Jay Baker is right on, unfortunately. There is no logic, no common sense, no rationality, no requirement that legislation meet it's stated purpose. It's all emotionalism. It's all about control and driving gun owners out. And if the bonehead citizens of this state think it will stop with firearms ownership, they are dead wrong.
 
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