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Gary H

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I understand that California's "Junk Gun" law will outlaw guns without external safeties as of the first of next year.

Will this include Glock, Sigs, revolvers and like handguns?

Are there other parameters such as size, or cost?

If you drop a Glock, or Sig they won't go off. Does this make them 2001 California legal?
 
The law does prohibit guns without an external safety, so Glocks would be prohibited. However, I've heard that Glock may be coming up with an alternate design that includes an external safety.

Otherwise, any model of gun sold must pass a battery of "safety" tests, including being dropped 600 times from a height of one meter, and other similar types of things (don't remember all the details).

This testing, of course, requires a testing facility, and I have not yet heard of any such being set up. It could be that on Jan 1, 2001, there will still be no facility, and -NO- handguns will be allowed for sale in California until the state gets around to setting up their testing facility to test the guns, unless we can get some kind of restraining order preventing enforcement of the law until the testing facility becomes operational.

After that, guns will be legal to sell only after they've been tested. This will effectively destroy the used gun market in California.

--The Beez

[This message has been edited by The Beez (edited June 18, 2000).]
 
The law really doesn't even matter. As the communistnazis have taken over complete control of the politics of Kalif., they will soon outlaw ALL handguns, no matter what, and then ALL long guns.

They've been at the incrementalism for many years, and in just the past four years, with the total takeover by the communistnazis, Kalif. is really nothing more than a medieval fuedal POlice State.

Anyone who thinks he/she will be able to own "certain, smart, safe" designated guns, is an extremely naive person. J.B.
 
Don't you think that it is time for all gun owners in the Peoples Republik to vote with their feet. Just slide over to Arizona. We like gun owners here. Besides we need you to combat the flood of Kalicommies that come here to subvert our way, and quality of life.

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BOYCOTT SMITH AND WESSON!!!
Defend the Constitution from the foreign threat!!!!

Yeah, I got a permit to carry,it's called the friggin Constitution.---Ted Nugent

"Man killing is nasty business"---Finn Aggard
 
Let California ban all guns. Let them institute the death penality for owning a private firearm. No skeet shooting, no ducky shooting. No nothing.

Let them be one of the experimental states for Lott's next book.

The folks in CA support this stuff.

Also, only people who support the RKBA and own guns are allowed to move (unless you are moving to Massachuesetts).

;)
 
I'm trying to move but the wife's not going for it. Keeps whining about staying near "family". Phoooey! My latest scheme is to get my employer into forcing/asking me to transfer. The tricky part will be selecting an appropriate destination. The idea of a one man "field office" in the Arizona high country has already been shot down. :(


I seem to remember that there was an exemption for glocks and revolvers in the junkgun bill. Course it might have been another bill I'm thinking of (there have been so many its hard to keep track). IIRC the rationale was that if they did not exempt glocks and revolvers several rather large departments and most officers back-up guns would be classified as "junk" and that the negative PR value would not be worth it.
 
It seems that the Supreme Court of the United States has had little to say about the slow erosion of second ammendment rights. Each stage of erosion must be taken to the courts, but who is around to do this? Why is there so little legal challenge to all of these laws. I suspect that the Democratic party and their second ammendment wing are careful to impede ownership in such an slowly incremental manner that the financial backing to legally assualt their legislation never forms. If they just declared all guns illegal we would be court from a hundred directions, but when they ban certain weapons and register others it doesn't receieve the money needed for a challenge and the legal folks are afraid that they would lose such a challenge. Also, the Ninth Federal Circuit judges are left of Hilllllary.
 
AZ need to set up border check points for Kali's comeing into this state.All must taken a written test on the constution and own at least 5 firearms.Of course we will set up a store right there so you can buy a couple if you short guns.
PS- No registered Democrates

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beemerb
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and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men
every day who don't know anything and can't read.
-Mark Twain

[This message has been edited by beemerb (edited June 19, 2000).]
 
I've heard Glocks were exempted because LE agencies wanted to continue using them. It would seem that SIGs should also be banned as $700 "SaturdayNightSpecials", but I've seen tons of both SIGs and Glocks at the local stores.
 
I guess the morons making laws out in Kalifornia don't recognize that the only real safety on any gun is the one located between the ears of the person holding it.

That wouldn't be due to the fact that a void exists in that space for them, would it?
 
If external safeties became the benchmark for what is legal/illegal, then it seems revolvers would also become illegal.

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denfoote, Shin-Tao: Thank you for the invitation. When my wife and I retire, we (and our California-sized pensions) will be relocating to a gun-friendly state like yours. We won't vote any communazis into office, I assure you.

Beemerb: As long as that "five guns" is the lower threshhold and not the upper limit, we're within your regs. Let me take a look inside that gun shop of yours anyway, though. ;)

Glenn E. Meyer: Californians don't favor gun control. The legislature doesn't represent the people and hasn't for many years. But if you've got a fake shrimp business and enough money, you can get a law passed. The FBI sent several state legislators to prison for this stuff a few years ago, but it was the tip of the iceberg.

Our insurance commissioner is under investigation for allegedly penalizing insurance companies for crimes by making them contribute millions to a private institution run by his wife. He's still in office!

Dan Walters columns, found at
http://www.sacbee.com

are a good source of info on the sorry state of our state representatives. This week, he recites the myriad ways in which the state has taken power and funding away from local entities to spend at the state level for political "pork" for their contributers.

"One of the oddest, slipped into the budget by Gov. Gray Davis and Democratic legislators, is a $5 million multimedia tribute to comedian Billy Crystal's immigrant family at a private Los Angeles museum,
designed by a Walt Disney subsidiary."

(Complete story at:
http://www.capitolalert.com/voices/walters/walters.jun15-00.html

Can you f***ing imagine the arrogance of these "lawmakers?" I still can't believe that's not a joke. Kind of like the feeling I got when Bruce from West Oz informed us all that Sean Connery is an anti.

Anyway, us native Californians have always been a rarety here, and most of us end up getting chased out. Single-lot tear-down houses in our area are now going for $250,000; yes, a quarter of a million dollars and you too may apply for permits to build your dream house, according to plans approved by your local homeowners' association or Board of Architectural Review.

Not for me. I need a new state. Thanks for the invite. I won't make any trouble.

Be safe, shoot happy.

Ledbetter
 
I've read the new "law", I haven't seen anywhere in the language about the necessity of external safeties. Guns will have to pass a safety test and those that pass will be listed.

wow, that'll keep criminals from getting guns.

freakin dem's

~bamf
 
You can't buy handguns without external safties from dealers. Private transfers and out of state guns can be bought. i.e.: you buy a gun off the net in another state (or from your neighbor), the gun is sent to your FFL, you register the gun, wait the 10 days, all is well. This has been verified with LEO, Dealer, and Cal DOJ. Funny, I see the Glocks and Sigs in local dealers cases still. Guess everybody was focused on SB23 and ignored SB15....

As to the "Screw California, it's the peoples fault": attitude I hear, you should think before you talk. All the laws in the state are originated and supported by the Bay Area and LA area. Most rural ares of California are still pro-gun, conservative Americans. As to the "just move out" theary, thisnk about this. I have most of family in the town I live in. I am responsible for their care and am constantly doing errands and chores for them. So, I "just move" and give up a good paying secure job, and abandon my family. Gee, what a guy. Think about how easy it would be for YOU to just pack up and move before spouting off and judging those of us STUCK "Behind Enemy Lines".

Believe me, I looked into the move to Fallon, Reno, Carson City, LV and other Nevada cities, but I couldn't leave my family behind like that. I am a RESPONSIBLE adult and these are the people that rasied and supported me. It may not be popular to take care of ones family, but I intend to do just that.
 
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