the quote was not mine...
it's from another regular on the AR 15 list
me in a public office would be dangerous...
i ran for president of PSU's student government one year and managed to loose but also took enough votes from the Skull & bones fraternity shoe in that another guy won the election
The closest i would get to harvard would be MIT Media lab, but i don't have the time for that ivory tower system these daze
here is another fine example of AR15 list
(i'm just a posting, i diddn't scribe it)
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Anyone in California should think carefully during this year about the
implications if they DO NOT register their arms that are required to be
registered.
You could take them apart so they don't need to be registered, but after the
one year period you could never assemble them in California again, since they
will not allow a registration of an SB23AW after that date. You could then
take them out out of state (driving) after the 12-31-2000 deadline (assuming in
the disassembled state), but I would not want to be pulled over by an LEO while
doing so, especially if I had more than two with me, since the law makes
possession of more than two unregistered arms a felony. I would want a letter
in my possession from the Cal DOJ stating that in their disassembled state the
arms are not required to be registered, since most LEOs will not know the
details of SB23 off the top of their head. Even if you decide just to keep
them at home and never assemble them so that you do not need to register, I
would want a copy of that same DOJ letter stored with EACH of the disassembled
arms. You never know if someone will report you to authorities for whatever
reason. Of course requesting such a letter lets the DOJ know you have the arms
in a disassembled state. Without such a letter either way, your arms would be
confiscated until you straightened it out with authorities, and good luck
getting them back even if you are totally legal. I have a friend who's a
Municipal Court Judge (and a shooter), and even he doesn't have the final
say-so in returning legally possessed arms. The Presiding Judge over his
district won't allow him to return any arm period. How the Presiding Judge
gets away with that I do not know, and I don't like to pressure my friend over
every little detail of how the courts operate here in Cal (behind the scenes).
I own arms because I want to shoot them, not store them until I die. I did
register my required arms under Roberti-Roos, no matter how against the idea I
am. I've been able to use them as normal these ten years, without fear of
discovery or arrest. I keep a copy of the paperwork with each arm, and have an
extra copy to hand to an LEO in case I am stopped going to/from the range (why
aggravte things by having to open a case to get it). The RR arms do not have
to be re-registered under SB23, and any arm required to be registered under RR
can never be registered under SB23.
By not registering your arms that require it you loose your ability to fight
back, personally or as a group to overturn the laws (legally), for fear of
discovery. I really doubt that all arms would be confiscated at once all
across the state. Rather, they'd give you the 90-day turn-in/remove from
state/turn over to LE letter, and at that point you make up you mind over what
to do. Even worse is to flaunt the law by then using your illegal AW at the
range as normal, as people have done with RR. I would never go shooting
with/near someone who has an illegal weapon (of any sort) with them. If you
are prepared to pay the price if caught great, but the price is dear and
bye-bye to the rest of your legal arms, probably for the rest of your life even
if you move out of Cal at some point. Those of you outside Cal who do not face
the reality of the situation here do not understand how to deal with it. Just
like talking about what you'd do if confronted by an armed assailant -- it's
all talk -- only when confronted with the moment-of-truth, will you know what
is the right thing to do. The LEO rank and file agree with us (at least those
I know and their friends in LE), but they also have their job to do even if
they don't agree with the law (management is another story).
Don't forget that the opposition is thinking long-term to decimate arms
ownership in the state. In 50 years the citizens will be left with 19th
Century arms to oppose 21st Century tyranny. You get to keep and use your arms
now, it's your children (literally) who get cheated of their birthright. We
have to fight them long-term too -- the more who choose to go the illegal route
the less opposition they face. That's exactly what they want. They already
have the info on you even if they are not supposed to -- the 4473 makes sure of
that.
We here have something to think about as our Y2K gift.[/quote]
it's a great list...
http://www.ar15.com/ar15-l/
dZ