California Does It Again: Bullet Serial Number Law

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Rich Lucibella

Staff
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...ll=la-headlines-california&ctrack=1&cset=true
SACRAMENTO — California lawmakers Thursday voted to require weapons manufacturers to ensure that all bullets and cartridges are branded with distinctive serial numbers.

Contained in two measures that are intended to help law enforcement solve cases, the proposal would be unique among states if approved by the Legislature and signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

The gun industry said the proposals were impractical and would force weapons makers to either write off the huge California market or adopt practices that would greatly increase the cost of their wares.

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On the weapons measures, though a number of law enforcement officials backed them, there was strong opposition from Republican lawmakers, manufacturers and gun groups. Opponents said both measures would be useless in tracking most crimes back to their sources, because few criminals obtain their weapons through legal channels.

"Criminals don't walk into gun stores," said Lawrence Keane, the general counsel for the Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturers Institute, based in Newtown, Conn. "No other state is even contemplating two such unworkable and ill-considered pieces of legislation."

One of the proposals, from state Atty. Gen. Bill Lockyer and approved in the Senate, 21-14, would require manufacturers, starting in 2007, to stamp bullets sold in California with a identification number that police could trace to the store where the ammunition was sold.

"We can put individualized serial numbers on cartons of yogurt, on almost everything in society, with very little additional cost," said Sen. Joe Dunn (D-Santa Ana), who sponsored the measure, SB 357.

The second measure, which was approved by the Assembly, 41-37, would mandate that all new semiautomatic handguns, starting in 2007, include technology that would stamp a distinguishing serial number onto a cartridge when it is fired. Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood), the sponsor of AB 352, said the markings "won't always lead to the criminal, but it will create leads" for police.

Though Koretz said no law enforcement groups opposed his bill, Republican lawmakers criticized it strongly. Assemblyman Todd Spitzer (R-Orange) argued that criminals could plant spent shell casings to mislead investigators.

"I'm incredibly concerned about the ability to frame innocent people through the use of this technique," Spitzer said.

U.S. Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-El Cajon), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, wrote to Schwarzenegger last month that he was "strongly opposed to this proposal because of the harmful impact it will have on the manufacturers of ammunition used by our nation's armed services and law enforcement agencies."
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This just in,

"California's Flat Earth Society announces introduction of state legislation designed to regulate gravity. FES envisions being able to implement gravity control through the use of aluminum foil beanies."

I just don't understand how one state can accumulate so many well-educated idiots. BTW, what are the odds that those who introduced and support this legislation are psychology // political science // lawyers types?
 
What are they doing when they sell ammunition? Are they recording this in a book when they sell it to you?

What are the implications for handloaders?

The second measure, which was approved by the Assembly, 41-37, would mandate that all new semiautomatic handguns, starting in 2007, include technology that would stamp a distinguishing serial number onto a cartridge when it is fired.
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There's going to be a lot of serial numbers on a piece of brass by the time it comes out of my gun.
 
Well the fireams & ammo industry should do what Barrett did a total boycott of sales to California law enforcement and government. When law enforcment has trouble buying ammo and firearms maybe they will figure it out then. Gonna put a lot of other folks in bad shape but maybe its time for a big stick approach to get thier attention.
 
Waitone said:
This just in,

"California's Flat Earth Society announces introduction of state legislation designed to regulate gravity. FES envisions being able to implement gravity control through the use of aluminum foil beanies."
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LOL.... oh man I'll be suprised if I didn't wake up my girlfriend with that belly laugh, thanks! :D
 
The gun industry said the proposals were impractical and would force weapons makers to either write off the huge California market or adopt practices that would greatly increase the cost of their wares.
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That, of course, being the main point of the proposed legislation.
 
Simply Stupefying.

Do they think firearms are like the old school price guns at the grocery stores or something?

tagging a 'carton of yogurt' of course is cheap. They're already printing crap on it! They don't print crap on cartridges!


:barf:

sheesh.
I think it's time the Federal Gov't sends troops into California to reclaim it!!
 
Even I'll be surprized if Arnold doesn't veto this. If he doesn't, it should cure any fence sitters wondering about him. If there are any still remaining that is.
"We can put individualized serial numbers on cartons of yogurt, on almost everything in society, with very little additional cost," said Sen. Joe Dunn (D-Santa Ana), who sponsored the measure, SB 357.
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Dunn may have just as well said RFID tags on or embedded in every single item sold anywhere - trackable in most areas in real time.
The second measure, which was approved by the Assembly, 41-37, would mandate that all new semiautomatic handguns, starting in 2007, include technology that would stamp a distinguishing serial number onto a cartridge when it is fired. Assemblyman Paul Koretz (D-West Hollywood), the sponsor of AB 352, said the markings "won't always lead to the criminal, but it will create leads" for police.
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Hey, embedded RFID - trackable in real time! But the "serial number" makes a good intro and is readily adaptable to a mechanical device. At great cost; but when has government that already steals our money ever care about cost?

Welcome to the control grid inside the big plantation.
 
I think it's time the Federal Gov't sends troops into California to reclaim it!!
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Yup I'm convinced, California is no longer a territory or state of the U.S. It has been over run by a bunch of liberal, socialist, psychotics. It will require a full scale invasion to secure it and extradite all of these liberal, psychotics out of the country to some deserted island in the pacific or maybe 2 or 3. These proposals are completely rediculous. How are you going to make guns print serial numbers on fired cartridges. I'm curious how this would affect the function and reliability of the gun. These proposals are just plain silly.
 
just buy up now while you can. thats what ive been doing for the last 10 years, buy now ask questions later. all states will try and follow ca and ma's lead, you can already see it. it may take a while but it is definatly going in this direcetion
 
Even ammo you already have will become illegal under this law. It is truly an amazing piece of legislative tyranny.
 
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