Calculating MOA

TXAZ

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I *thought* I knew how to calculate MOA.
I can handle being told I’m wrong, when I actually am.
So without prejudicing the jury (you guys) and realizing there a case of beer on the line, what is the MOA of:

5 rounds fired
at a target at exactly 100 yards
Where the center of the first round is perfectly in the middle of the X
And the center of the next 4 rounds are exactly 1.0” from that center X, striking the target precisely at:
0 degrees (12 o’clock) - 1” above
90 degrees (3 o’clock). - 1” to the right
180 degrees (6 o’clock). - 1” below
270 degrees (9 o’clock). - 1” to the left
 
The center-to-center group size would be 2" since the two rounds farthest apart are 2" apart.

In the scenario you set up, there would actually be two pairs of shots that are exactly 2" apart so you could use either pair--either the two that are horizontally 2" apart, or the two that are vertically 2" apart. The shot in the center of the target is not a player in this case for the purpose of calculating the group size.

1MOA is very commonly, for the sake of simplicity, taken to be exactly 1" at 100 yards, so in this case, with a 2" group at 100 yards, the group would be exactly 2MOA using the commonly accepted value for 1MOA.

However, if more precision is desired, 1MOA is actually closer to 1.047" at 100 yards. Therefore, in this case, with a 2" group at 100 yards, the group would be about 1.91MOA if the person calculating the group wanted to use a more precise value for 1MOA than the one that is commonly accepted.
 
John is absolutely correct.

What kind of beer will your friend be enjoying?
I prefer a lager or dark ale myself. :D
 
Exact trig value below was calculated to 102 decimal places for those wanting more precision with trigonometry.

1.04719753642832854694747069666400334739860873986429
830552235157457471965151538005004775737357536725837... inches per 100 yards...

There's up to a few percent spread in precision across internally adjusted scopes claims because of lens focal length tolerances. It also changes with scope power settings. Metallic sights can be more precise than scopes. Externally adjusted Unertl or Lyman target scopes are most precisely adjusted.

USA shooting sports standard is inches per hundred yards because target grids and scoring rings are spaced in inches. That said, some cannot accept nor handle that practical simplicity.

There's 4 standards for a mile; statute, radar, nautical and metric. Four for mils.
 
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Everything everybody has said is correct. But I am going to be pedantic about it and say that an MOA (minute of angle) is an angular measurement that is exactly equal to 1/60th of one degree. Two MOA is equal to 1/30th of one degree, etc.

One minute of angle subtends one minute of arc at any distance. A minute of arc is actually a measurement along a curvilinear dimension that is equivalent to 1 /21600 portion of the circumference of a circle (360 x 60 = 21600). Even though a minute of arc is curvilinear, its length is so close to that of a straight vertical line that a minute of angle inscribes on a target, the difference is very little.

If you make an imaginary circle, the radius of which is equal to the range to your target, if your range is 100 yards (3600 inches), the circumference of that circle is 2 x Pi x 3600 inches or 22619 inches. And 1/21600th portion of that is 22619/21600 = 1.0471975..... in case you were wondering where that number came from.

Even though a minute of angle is a unit of angular measurement that cannot possibly magically turn itself into an inch, or any other unit of linear measurement, we all use MOA in other ways such as "a sub-MOA group", "a 2 MOA shooter", "a 1 MOA rifle" etc, which is fine. But I think it is of some importance to understand what a minute of angle actually is.
 
That pretty well covers the actual math. :D

In common usage we say MOA = inches @ "X" distance. 1 inch at 100, 2 at 200 are called 1 MOA.

Measure from the center of the holes that are furthest apart (any direction), in inches, that is your "MOA group size". In the example you gave, with the furthest apart shots being 2 inches, it would be called a 2 MOA group.
 
Thanks. Looks like I’ll win a case of root beer.
(The person “schooling” me was saying 1 MOA was a 1” *Radius* circle.)
 
While not the most precise method the easiest is to find the 2 holes the farthest apart. Measure from the inside edge of one to the outside of the other. That is plenty close enough for 99% of casual shooters and I usually just use a ruler to the nearest 1/8"

The measurement is actually supposed to be from the center of the holes, but that is hard to do. If you want to be precise you measure the greatest distance between holes and subtract bullet diameter. For example if you measure 1.27" between holes and are shooting a .308 rifle then 1.27-.308=.962" group.
 
Use Mils. It's simpler than trying to figure MOA, which is inch-based.

A Mil is always a Mil. That's why hot-shot Navy Seal snipers and other serious shooters in military and L.E. use the Milliradian (Mrad) system - for precision and ease of calculating range and target size.

Since at least the early 2000s, the MOA system has pretty much been relegated to deer-camp Fuddleys. ;)
 
Remember the system your scope uses can have a few percent error. 4% is typical across different ranges and magnifications.
 
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Well, a MOA is also always an MOA. They are both units of angular measurement.

Using milliradians (milrads, mils) is great if you have a scope with a mil-dot reticle and turrets that adjust in fractions of mils per click. And using miliradians is IMO, a bit more intuitive when it comes to ranging using a mil-dot scope.

But if you have a scope with turrets that adjust in fractions of MOA, as most people probably do, using milliradians just requires another mathematical step.

It is not like one system is more precise than the other.
 
Using milliradians (milrads, mils) is great if you have a scope with a mil-dot reticle and turrets that adjust in fractions of mils per click. And using miliradians is IMO, a bit more intuitive when it comes to ranging using a mil-dot scope.

Not just more 'intuitive,' I've found it to be more accurate as well as faster relative to calculating range and figuring hold-overs than MOA.

But if you have a scope with turrets that adjust in fractions of MOA, as most people probably do, using milliradians just requires another mathematical step.

That's why scopes with MOA-dials and a Mil-reticle are stoopid and, to the unawares, confusing as to how different units of measure on the same scope are supposed to work. :rolleyes:

Plus, doing MOA ----> Mil takes longer. That's also a problem. It's why, since about 2006, more and more scope manufacturers have taken a cue from military users and been offering MIL/Mil variable scopes to the civilian market.

Look, it's one thing on a lazy Sunday afternoon if you're shooting at paper off a bench, where you've got oodles of time between sipping on a pop and checking your cell.

But Mil and L.E. folks in the field are under a real-world clock due to various factors, such as a hostile target not sticking around. They don't have time to do the Mil/MOA math-conversion and dial. With a Mil/Mil optic, snipers can quickly calculate the hold-over in Mils for distance (and often wind value), and take the shot. Same issue if you're competing in a LR precision-shooting event where you're shooting out to or beyond 800-yds under Match-imposed time-constraints per target.

Here's a great video that explains all these concepts as well as demos them under time-pressure in long-range scenarios draw from real-world experiences:

https://www.amazon.com/Tactical-Annual-International-Sniper-Competition/dp/B00ZMNUSMA

:cool:
 
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Group MOA = Group spread (in inches)/{36*[target distance (in yards)]*tan(1/60)}
 
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It's simpler than trying to figure MOA, which is inch-based.
To be accurate, MOA is a pure angular measurement which isn't based on any particular linear measurement. Angular measurements can be related to linear measurements using mathematical relationships, but they don't automatically relate to any particular linear measurement unit until someone chooses to do the math to relate them to one they choose.

In other words, MOA is no more closely related to inches than it is to mm. It's just that the fact that 1MOA is conveniently close to 1" at 100 yards that makes people think of it most often in terms of inches.

In reality, one could just as well think about 1MOA being about 30mm at 103 meters if they wished.

Mils, in theory relate to native angular measurement--radians which are expressed in terms of pi, rather than a relatively arbitrary number of divisions of a circle. So there are 2 pi radians in a circle which is equivalent to 360 degrees or 21,600 minutes. Mils are actually milliradians--or a thousandth of a radian. At least in theory. In practice, "convenient" values have been chosen. If you really calculate things out, there would be about 6283.2 milliradians (Mils) in a circle, but for convenience, the value actually used for calculations is a more round number. NATO's milliradian is 1/6400th of a circle, but the Warsaw Pact used 1/6000th of a circle as their milliradian and there are some other values also floating around out there as well.
Exact trig value below was calculated to 102 decimal places for those wanting more precision with trigonometry.
Approximating 1MOA as 1" at 100 yards is the same thing as saying that pi is equal to 3. No need to go out to 102 decimal places to see that they are obviously different.

Calling 1MOA 1" @ 100 yards is fine as a convention for the sake of simplicity--I've done it myself on many an occasion. But it's good for people to understand the true origin of the term, and once they do, it's also good for them to understand that the common usage isn't equivalent to the mathematical usage of the identical term.
Even though a minute of angle is a unit of angular measurement that cannot possibly magically turn itself into an inch, or any other unit of linear measurement, we all use MOA in other ways such as "a sub-MOA group", "a 2 MOA shooter", "a 1 MOA rifle" etc, which is fine.
Arc lengths are commonly measured using typical "linear" measurements with no issues at all--one does need to keep in mind whether the length is curved or straight, but as long as that is done, inches can be used to measure distances on a straight line or a curved one.

You are correct that any angular measurement, when used to measure distance, conventionally refers to an arc length rather than a straight line unless it is specified otherwise. However, there's nothing especially problematic with drawing a straight line from one end of the arc to the other and measuring that distance (which is called a chord) instead of the arc length.

It turns out that when the angle is small, the length of the chord is very close to the length of the arc for exactly the same reason that the sine of an angle measured in radians is approximately equal to the angle itself when the angle is small. When one measures an angle in minutes (21,600ths of a circle), the angles tend to be very small indeed which results in the difference of the arc length and the chord length being very small.

Not in the sense that people mean when they bristle at those who accurately point out that 1MOA is actually about 5% larger than 1" at 100 yards--but really, really tiny.

For 1MOA, for example, the difference between the chord length (linear distance on a flat target) vs the arc length at 100 yards is about 0.0000000037 inches. About 750,000 times less than the thickness of a human hair.

It's definitely interesting and useful to keep all the terms straight, but people who get bent out of shape when someone notes a difference of about 5% between an approximation/convention and reality are going to have their heads explode when someone starts talking about differences measured in hundred-millionths of an inch. :D
Group MOA = Group spread (in inches)/{36*[target distance (in yards)]*tan(1/60)}
For an easy to remember approximation of 1MOA, take the distance to the target in yards, divide by 95.5 and that's about how big 1MOA is at that distance. The error will be less than 0.0075% from the actual value.

Using the same general idea, one can get a pretty accurate group size in MOA by multiplying the group size in inches by 95.5 and dividing by the distance to the target in yards.

To get closer to the true value of 1MOA than the approximation above provides, one can multiply the distance to the target in yards by pi and divide by 300.

Using that approach, one can find the group size in MOA by multiplying the group size in inches by 300, dividing by pi and then by the distance to the target in yards.

If you believe that 3 is a good approximation for pi, then that just works out to one inch at 100 yards. :)
 
For decades, USA made rear target sights (Lyman, Redfield, Vaver, Gates, Clerke) had 40 tpi lead screws with 12 clicks per turn. With the sight radius standard of 30 inches, 4 clicks moved the line of sight exactly 1 inch at 100 yards. Working well with target scoring rings spaced in exact inches, nobody had issues using scopes with 7.2 inch spaced adjustable mounts with 40 tpi threaded adjustments with 50 clicks per turn. 4 clicks moved the LOS exactly 1 inch at 100 yards.

Then someone made a target rear sight with 36 tpi screws and 12 clicks per turn. And internal adjusted scopes with up to 3 or 4 percent spread in objective lens focal lengths that changed the first focal plane image size that much with very repeatable mechanical LOS adjustments that were equal for a given make and model moving were the inside tube pointed on that image where 1/4 inch on the 100 yard target spanned about .0005 inch.
 
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MOA is measured not calculated. One way is to draw a circle around the group and measure the diameter. Another is to measure from the centre to the centre of the 2 farthest holes.
"...case of beer on the line..." What kind? Keeping in mind that there is no rice in beer and it does not get filtered through a great big horse.
"...mil-dot scope..." Is mostly marketing.
 
MOA is measured not calculated. One way is to draw a circle around the group and measure the diameter. Another is to measure from the centre (sp) to the centre (sp) of the 2 farthest holes.

Sorry to have to correct but it can be both. Its still based on a calculation.

I am surprised no one provided actually numbers. So, here it is for 100 yards (double for 200 etc)

1.046 "

https://tinhatranch.com/understanding-moa-and-how-to-calculate-it/

Sheese, even I can do the math.
 
Only to those who don't have a clue.

Agreed, but the reality is that Canadian sniper at (x range) took 3 shots.

Calcs are easier, actually hitting something at distance is a different story (luck)

Ahmed, there is a bee around here, hear that buzzing noise, ooomphh, 50 caliber Bee.
 
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