[CA] Armed car heist leaves one dead in Los Angeles

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Armed car heist leaves one dead in Los Angeles

The Associated Press

LOS ANGELES (August 14, 2000 12:45 a.m. EDT http://www.nandotimes.com) - One bystander was killed and three others were wounded in a Sunday afternoon shootout between an armored car guard and two gunmen outside a busy Costco food court, police said.

One suspect was shot in the leg and was in custody, and police were searching for one other gunman believed to be carrying automatic weapons.

The guard was returning from the store when a gunman approached him and gunfire erupted, Lt. Jim Grayson said.

A second gunman in the outdoor food court also began shooting as the guard raced into the armored car for protection, police said. The guard was uninjured, and the gunmen fled empty-handed in a white van with police pursuing.

The van stopped several blocks from the store where police captured one man who was taken to an area hospital. That man was shot in the leg either mistakenly by the other gunman or by an armored car guard, police said. The second gunman ran away.

"It all happened really fast. It was loud," said Carlos Barboza, who was at the store when the attack occurred about 3 p.m. "I saw one guy carrying a machine gun, and he was turning around shooting at people left and right."

Barboza said he saw one man shot in the head, another shot in the back and a woman shot in the leg.

"At first it started at odd intervals, then ... it was like bang, bang, bang," said Chris Forbess, a mechanic at a nearby Pep Boys store. "They were shooting as fast as they can."

Oh yeah, almost forgot: The story can be found HERE.

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!

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Can anyone back up this story with another story not from the AP? I'm just curious to know if there was a machine gun :rolleyes: and how many people might have been shot since it was not confirmed.

Anyone?

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God, Guns and Guts made this country a great country!
 
Considering the low levels of training and weaponry typically given to guards, the armored car crew were lucky to get away without injury.
 
I worked for an armored car co. about ten years ago,

WHAT TRAINING?!?!?!

Basicaly there were a few (3 I can remember)rules governing your actions. But NO Firearm traning! Fortunatly I'm quite versed in weapons and so were a few others. But some were downright dangerous. A few AD's were logged in the truck's.

I was lucky as nothing exciting (some interesting things happend, though) happend to myself or who i worked with and only one real incident in the year i was with them (a guard got maced, but the bad guy got nothing).
 
Oh, as for weaponry, we were pretty well armed.

Tec-9, mini-14, semi M-10, shotguns, various pistols and back up pieces scattered through out the ranks. Bring what you got! (no magnum ammo though, officially that is).

Though, one guy was happy with his Ruger mk-II in .22 cal, not my choice
 
Oh, as for weaponry, we were pretty well armed.

Tec-9, mini-14, semi M-10, shotguns, various pistols and back up pieces scattered through out the ranks. Bring what you got! (no magnum ammo though, officially that is).

Though, one guy was happy with his Ruger mk-II in .22 cal, not my choice
 
Chris D, you were better armed than any of the armored car guards I've seen. The standard weapon seems to be a K-frame .38 Special revolver, which isn't bad but still would be far from my first choice for a shootout with a gang of armed robbers.
 
Matt VDW,

No pistols were supplied, but you could sign out a Mini-14 or a 12 Ga. shotgun. I went for the shotgun most offten, nothing says your F%$ked like racking the slide of an 870..... ;-)

We were a small outfit unlike Brinks or Wells Fargo. (Transfer Service Inc. out of Lincon, MA. I think they are out of business as I haven't seen a TSI truck in years).

I often see guards with a .38, but I don't pay much attention.
 
I read the story in the L.A. Times this morning. The semi-auto rifle used by one of the BG's was described as an "AK-47 assault rifle." Continuing to draw no distinction between semi-auto and full auto is extremely important to the anti's. Also, as we who now must register our semi-autos in the military style will see, an incident like this will be used to justify confiscation based on registration, because obviously "registration just didn't go far enough."

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"This is what happens when armoured car guards carry guns. We need to ban them."

I view statements like this as being fuel for the antis.

"We need to ban them"--I'll assume you're talking about armed guards and not the guns. If you're talking about armed guards, you are pretty much on the same page as the antis, as they want no one to be armed, even if their jobs are dangerous like carrying around a lot of money.

FWIW, you probably meant that we need to ban untrained, armed guards. I agree, but remember. The average CHL holder probably has just as much if not less training than the guards did.
 
I too worked for a small outfit. We got issued (if we didn't bring our own) recycled service 38s that had seen almost as much mileage as the armored vehicles. Our armor wouldn't have stopped rifles, so hats off to the guys with enough balls to carry millions and only a .38 to back them up.

By the way, I read somewhere that the guard got of 3 shots out of 30something fired.
He got one hit, I believe, in the guy's leg.
 
In California, Armored Car Guards, like other private security, are licensed by the State Dept. of Consumer Affairs. They are required to have a Guard Card (16 hour course) and a Gun Card (another 16 hour course with qualification every 6 months for the two years of the Gun Card). That's the bare minimum and likely all any Armored Car Guard has in this state.

The course of fire is something like shooting 50 rounds at the old fashion B-27 target from a distance of about 10-15 yards. The state is trying to make the course more difficult (introduce some kneeling and speed reloading) - something most of us here at TFL can do without any difficulty. It remains to be seen when the new course is adopted.

Choice of sidearm is not regulated by the state but the guard must qualify with the caliber (not necessarily the gun itself) which (s)he chooses to carry. Said caliber is stated on the gun card. Regarding long arms, that is left to the discretion of the employing agency. Mind you, the employer must comply with all other State/Federal laws including SB23.

Quite frankly, it's a dangerous job and my heart goes out to those guys. In the SF Bay Area there was one guard who was killed by his partner who, ultimately, was determined to be unqualified for a gun card (felony conviction). The sad thing about it is that the crooked partner could have just handcuffed the fellow, taken the loot and scooted. Killing was entirely unnecessary to accomplish the crime.
 
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