So I have been involved with shooting for a while now and I am about ready to buy my first .22 Target Rifle so that I can get involved in some matches. But I am not sure what to invest in for a Set-up. I was wondering if some of you guys could give me some suggestion for a Rifle Setup that I could use in 3P and Prone Matches.
Buying first Target RIfle
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That Kimber looks like a good deal at $600.00
you will also need some other pieces of equipment, such as a shooting mat, spotting scope, ect. Might want to find a local club/activity that is CMP affiliated
That Kimber looks like a good deal at $600.00
you will also need some other pieces of equipment, such as a shooting mat, spotting scope, ect. Might want to find a local club/activity that is CMP affiliated
I'd look up match locations in NRA's Shooting Sports USA, find a match and see what everyone is using. Even how people get their stuff to the range will be helpfull. It's more than just a rifle. A book titled "Ways of the Rifle" will explain everything and yes the book is a little expensive.....still the book will be a valuable tool. In the beginning, knowlege will take you further than an expensive rifle and Ten-X ammo. Hopefully you'll get to the point where you'll need that Anschutz and super ammo.
Sorry folks, There are few things in life that I know better than 3 position competition.
In 3 position (International type) competition there is only one gun, Anschutz. Period, end of story.
Yes, you will see a Winchester 52, a Remington 540X (or 513) and every once in a while a BSA or Walthers, maybe but probably not. But 99.9% use Anschultz. 100% of those that win use Anschultz.
Sorry again, no serious compeditor would sell a Anschutz for a Kimber or CZ. This would be the easiest way that I know of to totally humiliate yourself at a match. There are some low end Anschutz out there but the mod 54 "supermatch" international types rules in 3 position. Folks in this kind of competition sell their Anschutz for a higher price Anschutz.
The Winchester 52 shown in this thread would be good only for prone shooting. 50 years ago they were widely used in NRA 4 position but Anschutz put them out of their misery. The Anschutz open (iron) sites cost more than the Kimbers cost. You can put 3 or 4K or more into an Anschutz and that is just for the gun. As another poster said, there are the accessories that will eat up you wallet faster than a speeding bullet, Spotting scopes, scope stand, jacket, pants, boots, hat, offhand rest, mats, on and on--check out the price of Eley 10 X match ammo, that should be enough to tell you just how much it costs to get into 3 position shooting. If you go to a 3 position match, you will not see one single piece of hardware or accessory that you can buy off the shelf at your local gun store, I am not kidding.
Honestly, I don't think an adult going budget could get into 3 position for under $3K. You will need to invest at least $2500.00 into the gun and sites (intermediate Anschutz model), another $500.00 0r $600.00 into jacket and pants, misc. clothes another $200.00 (glove/hat/boots) $100.00 for a mat, $300.00 for a spotting scope and stand, $100.00 for offhand stand/loading block, a decient cleaning rod costs $30.00 or more, $50.00 for sling and keeper, butt hooks and fore-end stops, glasses, site dioplers, I'M MAKING MYSELF SICK! so I think $3000.00 is optimistic.
Remember one thing, at 10 meters or 50 feet, the 10 "ring" is a dot approx. the size of a period.........
Do you think a Kimber or CZ is going to consistently put a nick in a "ring" that size? The answer is no. The Redfield sites on the above shown Winchester 52 are 4 minute "click" adjustment for elevation or windage. You will need 12 minute click to be compeditive and that means Anschultz.
Tom
In 3 position (International type) competition there is only one gun, Anschutz. Period, end of story.
Yes, you will see a Winchester 52, a Remington 540X (or 513) and every once in a while a BSA or Walthers, maybe but probably not. But 99.9% use Anschultz. 100% of those that win use Anschultz.
Sorry again, no serious compeditor would sell a Anschutz for a Kimber or CZ. This would be the easiest way that I know of to totally humiliate yourself at a match. There are some low end Anschutz out there but the mod 54 "supermatch" international types rules in 3 position. Folks in this kind of competition sell their Anschutz for a higher price Anschutz.
The Winchester 52 shown in this thread would be good only for prone shooting. 50 years ago they were widely used in NRA 4 position but Anschutz put them out of their misery. The Anschutz open (iron) sites cost more than the Kimbers cost. You can put 3 or 4K or more into an Anschutz and that is just for the gun. As another poster said, there are the accessories that will eat up you wallet faster than a speeding bullet, Spotting scopes, scope stand, jacket, pants, boots, hat, offhand rest, mats, on and on--check out the price of Eley 10 X match ammo, that should be enough to tell you just how much it costs to get into 3 position shooting. If you go to a 3 position match, you will not see one single piece of hardware or accessory that you can buy off the shelf at your local gun store, I am not kidding.
Honestly, I don't think an adult going budget could get into 3 position for under $3K. You will need to invest at least $2500.00 into the gun and sites (intermediate Anschutz model), another $500.00 0r $600.00 into jacket and pants, misc. clothes another $200.00 (glove/hat/boots) $100.00 for a mat, $300.00 for a spotting scope and stand, $100.00 for offhand stand/loading block, a decient cleaning rod costs $30.00 or more, $50.00 for sling and keeper, butt hooks and fore-end stops, glasses, site dioplers, I'M MAKING MYSELF SICK! so I think $3000.00 is optimistic.
Remember one thing, at 10 meters or 50 feet, the 10 "ring" is a dot approx. the size of a period.........
Do you think a Kimber or CZ is going to consistently put a nick in a "ring" that size? The answer is no. The Redfield sites on the above shown Winchester 52 are 4 minute "click" adjustment for elevation or windage. You will need 12 minute click to be compeditive and that means Anschultz.
Tom
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Under $400
I'll jump in here late, but there is a Russian match rifle called the CM-2. Weight is nearly 12 lbs, comes with aperture sights, dewey style cleaning rod, brushes, jags, sling, about 12 inserts for the front sight and 5 different rear apertures.
The rifle is available in Adult and Cadet with the difference being in the barrel length and diameter. It is imported by Russian American Armory, and the best price is from saigacentral.com. It will shoot!!!!! My first ever prone match was a 3200 and considering I had never shot a smallbore prone match, 3066 was a pretty good showing for the rifle.
I'll jump in here late, but there is a Russian match rifle called the CM-2. Weight is nearly 12 lbs, comes with aperture sights, dewey style cleaning rod, brushes, jags, sling, about 12 inserts for the front sight and 5 different rear apertures.
The rifle is available in Adult and Cadet with the difference being in the barrel length and diameter. It is imported by Russian American Armory, and the best price is from saigacentral.com. It will shoot!!!!! My first ever prone match was a 3200 and considering I had never shot a smallbore prone match, 3066 was a pretty good showing for the rifle.
I will have to disagree to a slight extent. you can get into 3 position for a lot less then stated, although as your skill level increases you will find that the more expsensive equipment is often nesasary.
I will say this though, Anshutz is not the only bully on the block, i have a walther kk200pm that can shoot with the best of em.
oldbillthundercheif
Moderator
Anschutz!
Accept no substitute. You will be at a distinct disadvantage if you use anything else.
I always liked the 1913 "super match", but if you are female or otherwise prohibited from using a hook-style buttplate go with the 1913 action in a 1907 stock. You will not regret it.
The new models (2013) are the top-of-the-line and they look like UFOs. If you are into that sort of thing they are outstanding.
Anschutz is your only option unless you want to be defeated. You will never see a 100-10X international card unless you do. The X-ring is a 1 millimeter dot ferchristsake, other rifles just won't cut it.
Accept no substitute. You will be at a distinct disadvantage if you use anything else.
I always liked the 1913 "super match", but if you are female or otherwise prohibited from using a hook-style buttplate go with the 1913 action in a 1907 stock. You will not regret it.
The new models (2013) are the top-of-the-line and they look like UFOs. If you are into that sort of thing they are outstanding.
Anschutz is your only option unless you want to be defeated. You will never see a 100-10X international card unless you do. The X-ring is a 1 millimeter dot ferchristsake, other rifles just won't cut it.
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Jim Watson
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I agree, there has to be an entry level.
A friend bought one of those CMP Kimbers and found it would hold the NRA 10-ring without much trouble.
As Gil Hebard said of pistol shooting, a custom gun worth the couple of points that will decide the match winner is not a whole lot of help to the beginner who is going to flinch away ten points with anything.
A friend bought one of those CMP Kimbers and found it would hold the NRA 10-ring without much trouble.
As Gil Hebard said of pistol shooting, a custom gun worth the couple of points that will decide the match winner is not a whole lot of help to the beginner who is going to flinch away ten points with anything.
oldbillthundercheif
Moderator
Even for beginners, using a rifle that leaves you at a disadvantage to your competition is crazy. The first target rifle I used was a standard wedge-stock 1903 Anschutz that belonged to my rifle team. You could probably find a used one for a good price as they tend to move around with the forming and dissolution of rifle teams / clubs.
It's inherently accurate enough for any competitive smallbore event, but will not destroy your bank account as much as the other models. You can step up to a 1913 or 2016 when you feel the need for it.
Nice rifles are just as important for beginners as for the expert-qualified shooter. If you have an acceptable rifle, you KNOW that your scores are the result of your shooting technique, rather than "that darn cheap rifle".
It's inherently accurate enough for any competitive smallbore event, but will not destroy your bank account as much as the other models. You can step up to a 1913 or 2016 when you feel the need for it.
Nice rifles are just as important for beginners as for the expert-qualified shooter. If you have an acceptable rifle, you KNOW that your scores are the result of your shooting technique, rather than "that darn cheap rifle".
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UniversalFrost
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Just looked at gunsamerica for prices on the 1903 and higher anschutz and they were outrageous.
If I were to get into the sport I would definately start out with somehting like the kimber which is a third of the going price for the anschutz. Just my 2 cents. I would rather spend the 600 to get strated and later spend more to get an anschitz than buying the anschitz first and finding that I am either not that caliber of shooter or the sport doesn't interest me.
If I were to get into the sport I would definately start out with somehting like the kimber which is a third of the going price for the anschutz. Just my 2 cents. I would rather spend the 600 to get strated and later spend more to get an anschitz than buying the anschitz first and finding that I am either not that caliber of shooter or the sport doesn't interest me.
Esquire M Busterbury
Moderator
Am I crazy for thinking I could give any Anschutz a run for it's money with my grandfather's old remington target master? In the end I still have to think that it's all just pointing a tube at a target, and is more reliant on the shooter more than anything? So what kind of moa could one expect from one of these 2,500 dollar plinkers?
oldbillthundercheif
Moderator
There is a lefty 1903 on gunbroker.com right now that you could get for probably $750. Auction ends tomorrow...
If anyone thinks they would be getting a "deal" by spending $150 less on a vastly inferior piece of machinery, go right ahead. Just be prepared for frustration.
I have a remington "matchmaster" that will put 5 shots into 3/8ths of an inch at 50yds, but that does not mean it is suitable for competition.
I can not understate the importance of being on a level playing field with your competitors in a smallbore match. If you were in a NASCAR race, what do you think your chances would be if you were driving a minivan or even a street-legal hot-rod? This is the same sort of situation and EVERYONE will have an Anschutz.
A used 1903 can be had for less than $1K, and probably for less than $750 if you look long and hard and are willing to put up with a scratched stock or other cosmetic issues.
And it WILL shoot 10 shots into a 23/100in hole from a bench rest.
Anyone who is advocating something less than this minimal standard has never shot a smallbore match. Heck, they are probaly the guys you see standing around drinking coffee before their pistol matches making fun of the guy with the Hammereli.
"Look at that fancy thing har har... my daddy's Colt Woodsman is all I need"
Those people do not win matches.
If anyone thinks they would be getting a "deal" by spending $150 less on a vastly inferior piece of machinery, go right ahead. Just be prepared for frustration.
I have a remington "matchmaster" that will put 5 shots into 3/8ths of an inch at 50yds, but that does not mean it is suitable for competition.
I can not understate the importance of being on a level playing field with your competitors in a smallbore match. If you were in a NASCAR race, what do you think your chances would be if you were driving a minivan or even a street-legal hot-rod? This is the same sort of situation and EVERYONE will have an Anschutz.
A used 1903 can be had for less than $1K, and probably for less than $750 if you look long and hard and are willing to put up with a scratched stock or other cosmetic issues.
And it WILL shoot 10 shots into a 23/100in hole from a bench rest.
Anyone who is advocating something less than this minimal standard has never shot a smallbore match. Heck, they are probaly the guys you see standing around drinking coffee before their pistol matches making fun of the guy with the Hammereli.
"Look at that fancy thing har har... my daddy's Colt Woodsman is all I need"
Those people do not win matches.
Dead-Nuts-Zero
New member
What kind of friendly competition would one find where you could shoot a CZ or Winchester 52? There must be something that is more fun than spending 3K on the pro match outfits and taking years to develop the discipline to shoot such matches. I know 3p and Prone Matches are out of the question for me.
I too have an interest in some target competitions but where do I find the guys who have the fun and are much less serious?
Is Bull’s-eye paper punching at say 50' or 75' a sport that can be enjoyed for less than $1,000?
I have the interest in trying casual matches but don't know where to look or what such matches would be called or what gun and gear is required. This is a new direction of shooting for me. Reading this thread, maybe some of the other posters here may have interest in the lower level games too. Any suggestions would be helpful.
I hope I am not getting too far off topic.
I too have an interest in some target competitions but where do I find the guys who have the fun and are much less serious?
Is Bull’s-eye paper punching at say 50' or 75' a sport that can be enjoyed for less than $1,000?
I have the interest in trying casual matches but don't know where to look or what such matches would be called or what gun and gear is required. This is a new direction of shooting for me. Reading this thread, maybe some of the other posters here may have interest in the lower level games too. Any suggestions would be helpful.
I hope I am not getting too far off topic.