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I am amased by the sheep attitude of the American public. My fellow gun owners especialy. Comprise seems to be the "in" thing. All this tall talk of having guns to defend against tyranny. In 1934 the NFA was passed. But who cares I don't own a NFA firearm and besides we still have legitamate firearms. In 1968 another law was passed. The same logic was used. I will cut this short. If you won't stand up for this or for that. What will you stand up for. When the ATF comes knocking on your door will you stand up then? I doubt it. You have turned your tail and ran on every other issue. Why should I believe it will be any different when the ATF raids you house and buildings? Yeah I know this will offend some here. But so be it. The truth hurts. Don't be saying the 2nd is to defend against tyrrany when you ain't got the guts to back it with lead.

Shotgun Minister
 
It is not the members of this or similar forums that I have the problem with. Those who are active on message boards are active in the cause of the preserving the Bill of Rights.(Generaly speaking) However there are a great many who talk big yet do not deliver when the time comes. We all know people like this. It is them that I address this to.
 
To the barricades! Shoot shoot kill kill, up against the wall JBTs! The Patriots are here!!!

Gimme a break.:cool:

WildoverandoveragainAlaska
 
Shotgun Minister:
... I will cut this short. If you won't stand up for this or for that. What will you stand up for. When the ATF comes knocking on your door will you stand up then? I doubt it. You have turned your tail and ran on every other issue. Why should I believe it will be any different when the ATF raids you house and buildings? Yeah I know this will offend some here. But so be it. The truth hurts. Don't be saying the 2nd is to defend against tyrrany when you ain't got the guts to back it with lead.
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Well, SM, I have to say that you seem not to be after a civil discussion. Your tone is accusatory ("You have turned your tail and ran on every other issue. Why should I believe it will be any different when the ATF raids you house and buildings?"). Your assumption is that you are correct ("... But so be it. The truth hurts."). And your conclusions are offensive (... you ain't got the guts to back it with lead.").

There is also a theme here that gunowners owe you something. That goes both ways. You also complain about a course in our national history ("In 1934 the NFA was passed. But who cares I don't own a NFA firearm and besides we still have legitamate firearms. In 1968 another law was passed. The same logic was used."), which is a legitimate subject for discussion, but a questionable basis for the critical attitude towards gunowners in this last election.

I will cut this short.
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Thank you. If you have anything you want to discuss in a civil manner, feel free to post. 'Feel the need to accuse and start a flame session? Take it some where else.
 
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I apoligise if I came across that way. But when I see some who talks big but cannot walk the walk. It strikes a nerve. Like I say it ain't the members of this board that I have quarrel with. It's the people they we as members of this board all know of.
 
Shotgun Minister,
Understandably, you may have some strong feelings about the 2nd amendment and it's travails of the last generation.

But, ultimately what your advocating is civil war. Faded photographs, and romance aside, parts of the US didn't fully recover from the last one until the 1960's. And not all societies, which take this path, come out well. Mexico and the former USSR being good examples of that phenomenon.

Core reality is, that the 'fight' can still be defined by issues such as freedom of expression, search and seizure and the essential rights which support the 2nd amendment. The gun, has no meaning if one cannot communicate or assemble without quickly...interdiction. So, at this time, advocating the cartridge box, might be inadvisable, or irresponsible.

By doing so, it'll ensure further restrictions using the rationale of 'the war on terror', and so communications, and organization will be constrained. And if that continues, the gun will matter only as a isolate action, which could very easily be negated. (ironically, some will vote for reduced rights of speech, and searches, provided the perception they'll keep their guns is maintained...who's being manipulated here?)

Have to remember that, the patriots of the 1770's had spent almost a decade building support for their cause via discussions, pamphlets and sermons. And in some regards, their communications were harder to interdict, spy upon, or control than ours. Obviously, for example, every one on this current discussion, may already be being 'watched.' Plus, it's often forgotten that, in the American revolution and in the 1860's, both were preceded by attempts, by rational people to avoid the conflagration. So why criticize those, who are doing much the same as Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, or even Lee and Hancock?

So, take a few deep breaths of relief, the time you seem to advocate is not yet here...and with luck and providence, it will never come.

(apologies for the format, ISP here, is vexing. So must write quickly...


(Reformated. Antipitas)
 
Lets see if I understand your position. You won't spend $35.00 to join a pro-gun organization such as the NRA with it's millions of members and to try and prevent further erosion of our rights. But you're prepared to fight to the death when "they" come for your guns?
 
"You have turned your tail and ran on every other issue."

I got this far and quit. I've had enough of your insults, bad logic and general drivel.

John
 
Despite Bud's best attempts, this thread has no redeeming value.

Puffing one's chest, from the anonymity of an internet handle, while accusing all but yourself of being cowards in a Battle of Your Imagination amounts to little more than stealing oxygen.

Rich
 
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