But Handgun Licensing is so resonable.....

El Jefe

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It's enough to make you ill......

STATEMENT OF SARAH BRADY RE: PRESIDENT CLINTON’S LICENSING INITIATIVE

(Washington, D.C.) President Clinton’s proposal to establish a handgun licensing system is just common sense. Requiring photo ID and safety training for new gun owners is the logical culmination of the many actions that President Clinton has taken to keep guns out of the wrong hands, beginning with the passage of the Brady Bill and assault weapon ban early in his presidency.
No one today would advocate giving anyone permission to drive a car without first passing a safety course and exam. The U.S. doesn’t stop at licensing drivers; it licenses everyone who needs certain skills to perform their tasks safely, from manicurists to dog groomers. Most hunters need to pass a safety course before obtaining their licenses. The licensing debate is not about the right to own a firearm; it’s about responsible gun ownership, about safety, and about law enforcement’s ability to revoke the license of someone who becomes a danger to themselves or others. Additionally, a licensing system will ensure that gunowners understand their own states’ laws, from the regulations governing the carrying of concealed weapons to the responsibility for keeping loaded guns away from children.

But with shameful alacrity, the gun lobby again describes a simple licensing requirement as another step towards the eventual confiscation of all privately-owned firearms. Which, of course, is how they described the Brady law, the Gun Control Act of 1968 and every other federal and state law which controls access to firearms. Meanwhile, the Mark Bartons, Buford Furrows and Larry Ashbrooks who are planning massacres in unsuspecting communities can continue to buy and own firearms, because there is no national process in place with which to weed out those who are clearly too unbalanced to possess a gun. For at least a decade, the vast majority of Americans, including gunowners, have supported safety training requirements for those purchasing firearms. There is no question that such a requirement would make both for more responsible gunowners and for another level of protection from would-be killers who want guns.

In 1990, then-President Bush threatened to veto the Brady Bill, forestalling its passage. President Clinton’s proposal reminds us again of how important our choice of chief executive is for all who support gun control. In the upcoming election, the choice about our public safety will be clear to the American people. We can either continue the progress we have made under the Clinton Administration and fight for a comprehensive licensing system, or move backwards to a time when more of the wrong people can buy and carry more guns in more places.




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...“ They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” --Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759.

Take care and God Bless, El Jefe
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I actually agree with her (somewhat) as far as the licensing of gun users and the licensing of car drivers. It is infringement, but if this would mean National CCW Reciprocity (just like a drivers license, right?) it might be a good trade off. I know, I know, that's not what she meant, but if they want to equate the two, lets EQUATE the two.

My opinion isn't completely solidified on this topic yet, so I welcome any additional comments.


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RKBA!

"The people have the right to bear arms for their defense and security"
Ohio Constitution, Article I, Section 4
Concealed Carry is illegal in Ohio.
Ohioans for Concealed Carry Website
 
We do not require a license for the purchase of a car, or for operating a car on private property, so the analogy is flawed and misleading. *If* a gun license also entitles the owner to nationwide concealed carry--just like a driver's license entitles him to nationwide operation of a car--I would welcome it. At least we'd apply the same standards. As it stands, we all know that handgun licensing won't do diddly to reduce violent crimes.
 
I had this grand response all typed up, but gave up. I'm just preaching to the choir, and what's the point in that?

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Keep yer stick on the ice.
 
You know, fifty years ago, if a President suggested this, they'd impeach him. How about this for a grand idea: instead of lisencing gun owners, why don't we overstamp the licenses of those not able to purchase weapons? The military does it for bad check writers, and it works. Then there is no infringement. As for ccw, I carry without one. Better to be tried by 12 than carried by six. Oleg Volk's website had a profound impact on me, and most cops realize (at least around here) how many police are saved each year by someone carrying an illegal handgun.
I couldn't care less what they do with CCW, because the 2nd amendment guarantees me the right to keep (own and possess) and bear (use in necessary situations) arms (firearms of any kind as well as any other weapons).
 
It's further infringment aimed at total registration>outlawing>confiscation.

I have history to back this claim up.

The anti's have nothing but lies and rhetoric.

"We must get rid of all the guns." Sarah Brady, speaking on behalf of Handgun Control Inc, Phil Donahue Show, September 1994

"Handguns should be outlawed. Our organization will probably take this stand in time but we are not anxious to rouse the opposition before we get
the other legislation passed." Elliot Corbett, Secretary, National Council For A Responsible Firearms Policy (interview appeared in the Washington
Evening Star on September 19, 1969).
 
I would like to propose a compromise to Sarah. She can have her licensing and photo ID. In exchange, since I am a "good" guy once I am licensed, I want immediate repeal of NFA '34, GCA '68, GCA '86, Brady Act, and AWB '94. I want full faith and credit applied to my "shall issue" firearms license with full CCW ability anywhere except criminal justice facilities and legislative bodies. I want a Constitutional amendment defining a "well-regulated" as meaning all citizens of good character who pass basic citizenship and firearms training. Give me that and I'll give them their firearms license. The objective of the licensing should be to train our citizens militia, not curtail it.
 
Like fishermen, the leftist anti-gun crowd keep throwing out different lures to see which one gunowners will nibble on. And so much like a disinterested fish, when a lure is finally presented in the right fashion...you bite on it. Don't be surprised then, when you feel that huge hook being set. The leftist wetdream includes having gunowners build their own caskets.

As Americans, we are born with unalienable rights. Rights that CANNOT be taken away from us, cannot be transmutated into priviledges, cannot be licensed, cannot be bartered, stolen, or eliminated.

Remember that.


[This message has been edited by Paul Revere (edited January 31, 2000).]
 
Sorry, but I cannot, in clear conscience, equate the two issues.

Here's what they have in common,
They can be:
<UL TYPE=SQUARE>
big, and hard for some to manage.
small, and very easy to manuever.
used to transport objects to a particular place.
used very carefully, or very recklessly.
to save lives.
to destroy lives.
used as a status symbol.
bought, and never used.
used until they fall apart.
</UL>

But it seems the Gun alone has the ability to instill fear in the heart of a criminal, or a leftist.

I will never submit to this particular compromise. It is the next sequence to the eventual enslavement of our Freedom.

History is our Bible, our Journal, our Diary.
It is a testimonial to the battles ALL civilizations have endured to place us here today. If we continue to be lulled into thinking this is sound, and necessary, then we may as well turn over all the means we have to protect ourselves from ciminals, and government, and bend over as far as we can. And get what we then deserve.

Best Regards,
Don

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[This message has been edited by Donny (edited January 31, 2000).]

[This message has been edited by Donny (edited January 31, 2000).]
 
dog3, you left one out:
"We have to look at the idea of banning handguns." Al Gore on Larry King Live, September 1999 (forgot the exact date).

Dick
 
Re the output of The Saintly Sarah, "there are lies, damned lies, statistics and the output of Sarah Brady". Enough said?
 
Yet another in a never-ending series of 'trial balloons' which are floated up from the Antis to see which way the prevailing wind of public opinion is blowing today.

The games THEY play are not directed at us, just the end result...

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...defend the 2nd., it protects us all.
No fate but what we make...
 
Sarah, let's compromise. I submit the following two phase proposal for a responsible gun control policy.

1. I will buy any gun I want to, any time I want to.

2. You can get much needed psychiatric help to deal with your delusions of grandeur, and hatred and fear of men. In the meantime, stay away from sharp objects.
 
The Second Ammendment is a Right. Any thing that is licensed can be ultimately suspended or revoked at the discretion of the Government(for reasons real or imgined).

Why does any one need a license to live happily? Why does anyone need a license to have children?
And why should anyone need a license to buy(or carry) a firearm for self defense?
People I come from India, and we are allowed 150 rounds of ammunition per year if you are a sportsman(Only 100 for defense). The government can reduce it to 50 if it chooses to, for that matter it can revoke your license for any and whatever reason.

ANYTHING THAT NEEDS A LICENSE CEASES TO BE A RIGHT. EVERYONE WOULD BE AT THE MERCY OF A GOVERNMENT THAT THINKS IT KNOWS WHAT IS BEST FOR ITS PEOPLE.
 
This woman’s rhetoric makes me want to vomit in disgust.

Her, and others of her ilk, continued calls for “common sense” gun controls, piled on top of the 20K+ gun laws already on the books, borders on lunacy. My common sense tells me that we have more gun laws than any citizen can keep track of, much less abide by. And remember, ignorance of the law is no excuse.

It is my belief that the basic premise of law is that the average citizen should be knowledgeable of relevant laws, understand how those laws are applied in practice, and be willing to abide by them for the benefit of all in society. As it has been said before, that behavior has been impossible for many years in this country.

Skyhawk
 
I *c*ould (usual disclaimer) go for the one-time check of me & no registration of my firearms IF I get to carry anywhere/anytime (at least when not taking "anti-scurvey" medicine) & BTW, why not being able to carry at courthouse or Legislatives - if I'm gonna jack somebody up illegally, a law or place won't stop it -, no wait/limit/type for purchase. Revoked for cause only (we can debate that - a whole 'nother topic) ...

& BTW, I want it in a Constitutional Amend. which can never be changed & the antis have to go home & get a life.

A true & final compromise. It'll never happen so I'm agin' it.
 
Yes, handgun licensing is so reasonable, especially after swallowing the sugar-coated poison of CCW. You've already submitted to the notion that the government can permit your right to carry a concealed weapon, your right to bear arms. Since you're already one of the "good guys," with good government permit in hand, why wouldn't you be so reasonable as to support a permit to buy a handgun? Then why wouldn't you extend that requirement to all other firearms as well? How about one to buy ammo? After all, its so resonable, and we know they'll never take our guns away if we be reasonable about it.

It seems some around here have already swallowed it.
 
Ok --just to get yu guys up to speed about
what is already current law in Conn.

We are ever so lucky :rolleyes: here in Conn
to require a State of Conn Permit to Carry,
Pistol & Revolver in order to be allowed to purchase a handgun.

One can not purchase a hand gun without it;
even in a private(individual to individual)
sale.

Without the Ct State Pistol Permit, one
can buy only a long gun only after a 14 day wait and a NICS check.

In order to get the Ct state Pistol Permit one must first have no felonies and also no mistomeanors and no restraining orders; in short ; no record whatsoever,
except for the occasional speeding and parking ticket.A reckless driving charge would dis qualify you.Any mental illness
record would disqualify you.

So you have a squeeky clean record;
so now you spend 160.oo and 10 hours classroom plus 1 hour shooting on the range ,both a pistol & a revolver and get your NRA
Pistol Safety Compentency and Marksmanship
Certificate.

Now you run down to your local police dept with check in hand for 35.oo along with
3 handwriten character references from people
not related to you in any way who have known you for 3 years or longer and with your driverd license and birth certificate.

Your local police cheerfully take your
35.00 and then inform you that you need to
have your fingerprints filed and run by the FBI and that you need to write them a nother
check for 24.oo.

This takes 8 to 10 weeks to complete,
so if you can please call us back in 2.5
months , we will let you know of the status of your application.

At the end of 8 weeks, you need to haunt
the police dept, because the first 5 times you call for the status of your permit--
so & so has to approve it and he is on vacation and wont be back for two weeks and the application is locked in his desk drawer.

The next time you call , Officer Snowjob has your application and wont be back until next Monday , only between the hours of 1:30
to 2:30 and then wont be in again until next Thursday.

THIS IS ALL JUST SO Very VERY REASONABLE!!!

Finally , 3 weeks later , you get lucky and actually catch up to Officer Snowjob
and leave the local cop shop with your city
permit to carry.

Now , you need only drive to the State Police with another check for $35.00 in hand along with your city permit to carry and a photocopy of same,your drivers license and birth certificate and get your picture taken for your State Permit, complete with two
photographs, a bar code and a magnetic scanning strip, your name & address,dob,
social security and drivers license # on it.

The Magnetic scanning strip probably accesses your life history from kidigarden
on up.

In only one more month, you will be the proud possesser of a State of Conn. Pistol Permit and be allowed to acess your "right"
to keep & bear arms.

So far ,you have spent $170.oo + 35.00
+ 24.00 +35.00= 264.oo and 16 weeks and still
have not bought your first handgun.

And remember , In Conn. The "Turn in your neighbor " law. Anyone ,for any reason , who
sees your firearm, even with absolutely no wrong doing on your part, can call the police dept and the police will cheerfully arrest all your firearms and you will be given a court date to apper before the court and convince then why they should return your seized firearms. Your pistol permit will of course be revoced.

So in Conn never let any one see or even
know that you have a firearm, ever-- unless
you need to show them the muzzle flash.

Remember , first,best- choice--run like hell.

In Conn ,only if you qualify, you have the right to pay the state for the privledge
to access your right to keep & bear arms.

After all , its just so very very reasonable.

And always remember,just one strike & your out.

Just think, your state too can be just like Conn & Kal & New York & New Jersy & Missouri & Nebraska & Ill. & Indiana & Ohio
& Washington DC

Its really so Reasonable. :p

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In 2000, we must become
politically active
in support of gun rights
or we WILL LOSE the right
& the freedom.

NO FATE BUT WHAT WE MAKE!!!

Every year,over 2 million Americans use firearms
not to take live but to preserve life,....limb & family
.Gun Control Democrats
would prefer that they are all disarmed
and helpless and die,instead.

ernest2, Conn. CAN opp. "Do What You Can"!
http://thematrix.acmecity.com/digital/237/cansite/can.html
 
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