Bush's Skeleton Closet : DUHbya Avoids Vietnam

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Randy Davis

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Bush Avoided the Vietnam War

Just like Dan Quayle and Steve Forbes, two other politically-connected rich kids, Bush Junior joined his home state's National Guard.

It's not clear how he got past the waiting list, but his dad was a U.S. Congressman at the time, and his grandfather was a famous U.S. Senator.

Instead of going to Vietnam, he flew cool jet planes around Texas, valiantly defending us against the Mexican air force.

His political connections got him a sweet deal -- they not only got him into the National Guard, and got him the last (rare) training slot for pilots despite the fact that he scored the lowest allowable score - 25/100 - on a pilot's aptitude test, but he was assigned to fly an older plane (the F102) which was being phased out at the time, which meant that he had no chance at all of going to Vietnam.

On this issue, too, Bush has weaseled in a manner eerily reminiscent of Bill Clinton. He claims that he joined the guard to fly planes, just like his dad.

But George Bush, Senior, a genuine war hero, joined the Navy, not the National Guard.

Both the Navy and Air Force had plenty of openings when Bush Jr. joined, but he chose the stateside Guard.

Furthermore, his enlistment form had a check box to indicate whether you volunteered to go the Vietnam or not. His was checked NO, but now he claims that the clerks there often filled that part out and checked NO for you.

Once he joined, Bush was promoted to First Lieutenant in just 4 months, a very short time, and was given several months off to work on a political campaign.

He was also released 6 months early to work on another campaign.
 
Assuming this is true, what's your point? More importantly, what's your source? That book "Favorite Son" which has been refuted on several occasions and was written by a felon convicted of hiring someone to commit murder?
 
So the h*ll what?!?!?

I'm getting so fed up of this moralizing tirade.

Go vote for Gore, he was there alright.
 
Its essentially true.

No matter. Bush showed up in a unifom. Maybe he didn't do "the right thing" but he never attended foreign anti-war protests or write letters condemning the American Military. There's a BIG difference between what he did and what Clintoon did.
 
Okay... it's official. Either Allan Hampton is back with a new name or we have another closet Gore supporter named Randy Davis trying to divide and conquer us! Or maybe he is on the HCI Inc. payroll? :rolleyes: Hmmm?


Yes, vote third party... Gore needs all the hlp he can get!!!


Joe
 
I'm going to go ahead and say that GW put his life in more danger learning to fly fighters (somewhat dangerous) in Texas than Al Gore ever did in his cushy rear-echelon spot in Vietnam. In fact, from I've heard, Al Gore had a bodyguard that kept him safe at all times.

Our esteemed VP talks about his Vietnam stint like it was a very sobering experience, you know, having to go to war and all. IMHO, his rhetoric is a slap in the face to everyone who was ever in combat or a risky support role.
 
It's a near impossible task for the gore team to come up with anything that will make gore look preferable to Bush!
http://www.cyberpro.com/ohguard/ng/nghist.htm#Vietnam

Vietnam War:
During the Vietnam War, no massive call-ups of National Guard and Reserve units were made in order to raise military manpower. However, on January 26, 1968, 11 Air National Guard units, comprising eight F-100 TAC fighters and three RF-101 recon units, were ordered to active duty following the seizure of the Pueblo and the Lunar New Year (Tet) communist attacks on South Vietnam. On May 13, 1968, two additional TAC fighter units and one aeromedical airlift unit, involving an additional 1,333 Air Guardsmen, were mobilized.
Also ordered to active duty on May 13, 1968, were 20 units of the Army National Guard, to include the Hawaii Army National Guard’s 29th Infantry Brigade (Separate) and its brigade aviation company in the California Guard; the Kansas Army Guard’s 69th Infantry Brigade, which also included the 2d Battalion, 133d Infantry, Iowa ARNG; 1st Battalion, 211th Artillery, Massachusetts ARNG; 3d Battalion, 197th Artillery, New Hampshire ARNG; 166th Engineer Battalion, Idaho ARNG; Company D (Ranger), 151st Infantry, Indiana ARNG; and an additional 12 combat support and combat service support units.
Of the 10,511 Air Guardsmen activated for the Vietnam War, more than 2,000 were deployed to the combat zone, providing four of the Air Force’s 13th F-100 TAC fighter squadrons. Flying nearly 30,000 combat sorties and completing 50,000 hours of combat flying in Vietnam, they became the first Air Guardsmen involved in combat in 16 years. An additional 4,000 Air Guardsmen were deployed to Korea and Japan, providing 60% of the total air power in Korea. All Air Guard units were demobilized by June 18, 1969.
In the Army Guard, of the more than 12,000 mobilized, 2,729 reported to Vietnam with their units. Of the 9,505 initially remaining in the states, 4,311 subsequently were assigned to Vietnam, bringing the total number of mobilized Army Guardsmen in the Republic of Vietnam to 7,040. All Army Guard units were released from active duty by December 12, 1969. Included among the 4,000 awards earned by Army Guardsmen in Vietnam were: 55 Silver Stars; 681 Purple Hears, one Distinguished Flying Cross, 15 Distinguished Service Medals, six Legions of Merit and over 1,000 Bronze Stars.
 
Randy's just trying to keep the Bush bashing going. The other thread he started for this purpose got locked up. His motives are either stupid or dishonorable.

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I mean, not to be inflamatory or anything, but...

Here we are, with the most self-avowedly anti-gun presidential nominee since I can remember, virtually on a dead heat with someone who has signed concealed carry laws, upheld the death penalty, stopped anti-gunmaker lawsuits in his state..... and all we seem to do is bash the latter to death?!?!

Here we are, surrounded by anti-gun media, gun-hating elected and unelected officials, the firearm industry with their back against the wall...... and all we seem to do is bash the NRA calling them "traitors"?!?!?!

Is this a pro-RKBA forum?

What's wrong with this picture?

Who is being unreasonable? The Bush/NRA supporters or the "all or nothing" crowd? I'm puzzled.....
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[This message has been edited by 416Rigby (edited July 05, 2000).]
 
Randy Davis,

I won't question your motives, or your honor; but I will echo 416Rigby's first post and say: So What?

I honestly don't care what either candidate did during their respective stints with the military. What I care about is which of these candidates will do more damage to the constitution and our rights than the other.

That will determine my vote. How about you, Randy?


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416Rigby,

I'll second that.

If you hold your breath for the candidate that fits you to a tee, you'll be looking really blue. With Gore, the bad side is REAL bad.

If you want to vote Libertarian, Constitution, etc. that's great. Unfortunately at the moment, it's more effective as a local vote. Get the local libertarian's, etc into office and move up from there.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Clark Kent:
Randy's just trying to keep the Bush bashing going. The other thread he started for this purpose got locked up. His motives are either stupid or dishonorable.

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You believe what you want to believe, Clark.

I believe that Bush is not qualified for the job of President of the US, any more then King Willy is.

You vote as you will, Clark, but the man has plenty of skeletons in his closet and he will be made to pay dearly for that by the liberal press in the days to come.

Let me make it very clear to you all.

I dont trust Bush. Plain and simple.

He is being handled and manipulated by so many people that no one really knows WHAT he stands for.

You cannot say that about Buchanan or Brown.

I honesty believe that he will lull us in four more years of Globalist adgenda and will sign into law even more onerous gun control laws, not to mention more behavoir control legislation.

Therfore, I simply cannot vote for him.

Am I trying to sway some of you to vote for someone else, someone who truly believes in American freedom, instead of G.W. Bush?

Yes, I am indeed, and I will use the truth to do so.

That the other thread on Bush was locked up comes as no surprise to me.

Often people do not wish to face the truth, so they shut it away and hope it disappears.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by nralife:
Okay... it's official. Either Allan Hampton is back with a new name or we have another closet Gore supporter named Randy Davis trying to divide and conquer us! Or maybe he is on the HCI Inc. payroll? :rolleyes: Hmmm?


Yes, vote third party... Gore needs all the hlp he can get!!!


Joe
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I do not in any way support Gore, Nader nor any of the other American fascist candidates.

I do know that we are getting NOWHERE by continually voting for corporate hack men and the privileged sons of wealthy men who are themselves Global corporationists.

Will the Libertarian Party put Harry Brown in the Whitehouse in 2000.

Will Pat Buchanan take the Reform party to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave in 2000?

No.

But if all the millions of gun owners said "the hell with things as they are" and voted for a candidate or a party that supports gun rights, instead of fiddle-dee or fiddle-dum, then we might do just that.

BTW, do you always go out of your way to insult anyone who disagrees with you, or are you just a natural-born troll who cant help himself, Joe? ;)

Like I have always said here: You do what you think is best for you, Joe.

I'll do the same.
 
All,

Opinions of candidates, especially when backed by references we can check, are valid discussion.

Personal attacks are not acceptable. Knock it off.
 
Randy - I don't trust Bush, either, and certainly don't see him as a champion for our cause ("our" meaning folks who oppose victim disarmament). He's no John Wayne, but at least his political actions have helped more than hurt us. As for Gore, I do trust him--to do what he can to disarm us. Therefore, not to help get Bush--warts and all--into the White House is to help Gore get in and take our guns away.

[This message has been edited by Clark Kent (edited July 05, 2000).]
 
Dennis - If you were addressing my first post on this thread, please note that I referred to Randy's "motives" as either stupid or dishonorable. I believe that's a fair statement.
 
Hey, I know.

Bush said he likes Antonin Scalia. That's going to hurt him, as Scalia isn't a communist.

I get the feeling Bush would appoint supreme court justices like that.

How about we get Bush in so he can appoint more Supreme Court judges like that. Then, when the Second Amendment goes before the judges, they can vote for literal (individual rights) interpretation instead of revisionist.

That way, GW could look soccer-mommish could pass all the GC he wanted, the supreme court could shoot it down.

You really don't think you're going to keep your guns through majority (voter) decision do you?


Battler.
 
Randy, with all respect, I did three tours in VietNam, with Marine infantry. Let me assure you, with the knowledge I have from those experiences I'd look for a way out just as GW MAY HAVE. Regarding you not voting for him because he offends your values, well you can bet your vote will be as good as for Gore. A previous reply referred to us banding together ... don't you think we should and support a candidate who can win? Hope you have a change of heart.
 
Sorry, but I've got to say that at this point we must do whatever it takes to keep the Democrats out of office. I think that we will be going to H@ll in a hand basket if we take that road again. I realize that this is only my opinion and that is all I'll say about it.

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