Bushmaster Trigger

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Maximus856

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I have a Bushmaster V Match Carbine and it shoots very well for what it is. I got a killer deal on it, but havent had much time to shoot. That's about to change here soon and with getting a good deal I figured a few upgrades are in order. I was looking for a good trigger and found that Jewell and Timney are the two big ones people go for. Can anyone chime in on which they've liked, and where to find the best deal? The average price I've seen is anywhere from $200-$230. Also, Jewell offers two different pin diameters. Is there a difference in what application they are for as my search has left me with nothing? Also, I'm assuming the Timney Skeletonized is for looks, or does it genuinely help with the feel?

The only thing that is pushing me in the direction of the Jewell is that the pull is adjustable, whereas the Timney is set at 3Lbs.

Thanks!

-Max.
 
I personally prefer a two stage and that is what i use in three of my AR's. If I was to buy a single stage it would be a Geissele. Geissele has a large selection of options and appears to me to be the most popular after market trigger on the many AR boards.
 
Geisselle SSA triggers can be had for 170, that's a pretty good bargain for a top shelf trigger.

Jimro
 
I have 3 AR platforms. Two .223 and one .308. I have Timney triggers in all of them. No problems with them at all. I did not bother with the screw adjustments to tighten against the trigger pins. I put KNS anti walk pins in and forgot about it. The reason I did that, was the screws DID loosen on my first AR and the trigger pins just fell out at the range. I did not EVER want that to happen again. Hence, the KNS pins.

Geetarman:D
 
I'm looking at the Geissele's, and having a hard time choosing which one would be good. They have a bunch for 'CQB' guns and the like, but I'd like more of a match/target trigger.

Anyone care to elaborate a bit on the ups and downs of single stage vs. 2 stage?

EDIT: The more I've read about the two stage, the more I'm liking them. Are there any adjustable two stages? Sorry for asking so many questions, it's just a decent chunk of change for a fairly small part. I want to make sure I get the most out of it.

-Max.
 
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Geisselle SSA triggers can be had for 170, that's a pretty good bargain for a top shelf trigger.

Jimro
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This is the truth.


Rock River Arms Two-stage triggers can be had for about $80 on Gunbroker and at shows. I also suggest looking at them. There were past complaints about the material hardness leading to a mushy single stage over time but I'm sure that is the past. If you get one for $80 you could sell it for a small profit locally if you don't like it.


Other than that, what are the specs of your AR is it is? For an accurate AR you want a good barrel, good ammo, and a good shooter. Triggers, optics, and etc are not required however they do help.
 
It's the Bushmaster V-Match Carbine, and I'm told the scope is a Leupold 4-12x, however it is painted. For ammo, I've been shooting some of the Hornady match, but to be honest I haven't shot the gun too much. The one thing I do know though, is that I do not like the trigger much. After searching around I found a Geiselle SSA-Enahanced for about $200, but also found a Timney Single Stage (3lb pull) for $170. I'm just a bit confused as far as the two stage goes, because the second stage is set at 1.5 lbs, for a total of 3.5lbs on the Geiselle. So am I looking at 1.5 lbs after the takeup, or 3.5lbs? That extra half pound may not make much of a difference, but if the Timney is lighter and less expensive while being quality, I'll end up going that route.

Thanks,
-Max.
 
Volucris

While typically I would agree, I feel the trigger will be the same heavy trigger no matter what. I have a lot of range time with my issued M4 and the trigger is similar to that on the my Bushmaster. I haven't liked the triggers on any of them, and feel that could greatly improve the overall feel of it. Now it's just deciding which one and why. Like I said too, I got a killer deal on it so upgrades to it don't hurt as much ;)

-Max.
 
Maximus856 said:
The more I've read about the two stage, the more I'm liking them. Are there any adjustable two stages? Sorry for asking so many questions, it's just a decent chunk of change for a fairly small part. I want to make sure I get the most out of it.
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ArmaLite makes a adjustable two stage trigger. Based on the M14 design, it uses three 'ears' on the disconnector to adjust spring position. Each position is about a half pound change. ArmaLite has this in two versions, tactical and NM, both are the same parts but the NM has more hand tuning. ArmaLite has a tech note (TECHNICAL NOTE 68) on tuning this trigger.

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http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech...ng the ArmaLite Tactical Two Stage Trigg….pdf

http://www.armalite.com/images/Tech Notes\TECH NOTE 78 TWO STAGE TRIGGER 091005 Rev 6.pdf

The RRA two stage is the same design without the adjustment capability, no spring adjustment on the disco. I have one RRA two stage and three of the ArmaLite's, two on AR15's and a AR10. I have not tried running less than 3.5 lbs on the second stage and I have 100% reliability so far. I buy ArmaLite LPK's with the two stage for $120, that puts the cost of the FCG at about $70+/-.
 
It wasn't said what size groups the gun delivers. I would just shoot it for a year in matches, and get the operator's inaccuracy down to a minimum first. During that time, a lot of other range shooters will be able to say what they have really experienced with their choice. They would even likely let you try theirs to see.

With that kind of database to make your own decision, you'll be much better off than "Buy Brand X because I say so." off the 'net.

Here's the nitty gritty - until the practiced habits of breath control, sight picture, repeated and consistent cheek weld, and proper position are second nature, the incremental increase in accuracy from a $300 trigger can't even be seen. Pointedly - not one of these vendors offers a "improves x/xMOA guarantee," and never will. The ammo, barrel, chamber, mounting, sights, stocking, and a muzzle brake/comp must all be fully developed first. You can't put a Match trigger on a $599 Bargain Bin and see any improvement whatsoever.

Don't forget, almost all target triggers use an adjustable take up screw, it gives 60 - 80% of the improvement for 10% of the cost.
 
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