Building a 1911

jaytothekizzay

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Im wondering how many guys here have built a 1911. Ive been into the 1911 platform for a few years now, and have been kicking the idea around of building one. Im wondering how difficult or easy it was for those who have done it. Im pretty handy with tools and am pretty familiar with the platform. Any recommendations from the seasoned pros? As far as parts go? Im lookin to do a full size in .45ACP
Also id love to see some pics of some of your custom 1911s
 
I tried this a few years back, ended up having a pro finish it, I have built countless ar's and model 700's, I have modded new parts to 1911's like safeties, triggers, ms housings, complete trigger assemblies, barrels and bushings, but doing a entire gun start to finish was a little out of my league..

I know a lot of guys buy springfield mil specs or for less money ria's, and then just add all the parts they want, tighten the slide, ect..

For example a gentleman at my range bought a mil spec, tightened the slide, refit all new parts of his choosing, kart barrel, wilson trigger, ect and he sold all the extra mil spec parts, he told me he was into the entire project after having Easton Cerakote it for around $1600, it looked like a really nice gun and while I didn't examine his groups or shoot it myself, it looked to hold its own...
 
Caspian for slide and frame. For a few bucks extra Caspian will fit the slide to the frame, which saves you both time and the risk of messing it up. After that -- Brownells. They have a special catalog just for 1911 parts, tools, and accessories. Take your pick.

www.brownells.com
 
It all depends on what level of gun you want to end up with? Do you want a professional level custom gun or just something you built? Aguila Blanca is pointing you in the right direction with the Caspian Kits but with those you will not IMHO end up with a high end custom gun. You will end up with something on par with a nice production gun.

If you have the time and money there are some high end custom 1911 makers offer classes where you assemble a high end custom 1911 under their supervision.

For example:

http://www.garthwaite.com/services/classes.php

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/1911class_new.shtml

http://www.rodgerspistolsmithing.com/1911class.html

http://rifleshooter.com/2014/08/bob-marvel-custom-1911-classes/
 
Recommendation: don't do it to save money, but because you want the pleasure of doing one for the sake of doing it.

Second recommendation: buy the Kuhnhausen 1911 manuals-both volume I and volume II. Don't try to build one until you have read them and understand what they say [$80 for both, probably, if you find a discount].

Third recommendation: invest in the proper tools/stones. This cost me around$200 in tools, beyond what I had, and that doesn't count my attempt at checkering the front strap.

Fourth recommendation: blueprint the final goal you wish to obtain. Do you want a 'carry gun'? Do you want a competition gun? What type: IDPA? Bullseye? Do you want a true 1911, a 1911A1, or a modified 1911a1 [beavertail, commander hammer, etc]. Do you want a 5" GI, a 4.25" Commander? A 4.25"-4" CCO? An Officers' size? or smaller? Do you want flat/arched or bob-tailed MSH? Do you want bull-barrel or bushing barrel? Do you want ramped barrel or swinging link? Why? Understand why you want it before you proceed. Understand the differences before you commit the money.

Research part names and decide what you want to use. General recommendations are ok, and there are a LOT of other good companies. Basic makers of most parts: EGW [evolution gun works], Ed Brown, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom, Cylinder & Slide, KART, etc. [I am not slighting anyone: the list could be days long and still miss someone.]

Factor in the price of messing up at least two parts: sear and barrel bushing, for example, might require a 'do-over'.

Decide if you want basic iron sights, nightsights, or adjustable sights. Find the make/model you want and price them.

IF you are going for a beavertail grip safety: do you want a .250 cut, a JEM .250 cut, a Wilson/Caspian cut or a .220 cut? Why?

Price the cost of the finish you are thinking of: blued? CeraKote, CeraPlate, NP3+, HardChromed, Melonite, Nickel, Parkerized, etc.

NOW, pick the maker of the frame/slide you wish to use. Do you care if the frame is forged v Cast Steel? Do you want an aluminum frame? Stainless or 4140-type steel?

Now that you have these details worked out, decide if you want to actually fit the slide to the frame [extra tools/parts/time], or have THIS done for you. Caspian, for example, will fit the slide to the frame, as long as both are their products. For a charge, but it can be done. However, it may not be as 'tight' of a fit as you wish. [how tight do you want it to fit, and why?]


OK, that is the research and self-discovery for you. Be realistic: exactly HOW skilled with tools ARE you? This is a firearm. If it is a defensive firearm [nightstand or defensive], and not a firing-range only toy, you better be darned sure of your technical expertise: that is the only thing preventing a double-shot unintentionally.

Read up on all of this at 1911 forums dot com.


OK, if you have done this and are SURE you want to do it, take one LAST look at the cost of EVERYTHING: from tools, stones, files, to EVERY part, and the cost of having it all finished for you. Do not forget springs and grips in this cost.

Got a figure? NOW, take that figure and take one last look at higher-end 1911s: Wilsons, Upper-end Springfield, Nighthawk, Ed Brown, etc.

If $ is the issue, you might find that you can buy one already done to specs you will be happy with for less than the amount you just spent.

Keep in mind that the tool costs are to be counted toward the cost of your 1911, unless you build more than one: then spread tool costs between them.


NOW, I will say this: I REALLY enjoyed building the 3 1911s I have worked up. One is a 5" full-'race ready' Caspian, set up for bullseye type range-only use. I haven't had it professionally refinished yet: it is wearing an OXPHO-Blue cream finish. Here is a picture:Custom Caspians Mine is post #433. It has a 3.5# trigger break.

The second one I built is more of a defensive carry 5" 1911, with a trigger break closer to 4.75#s. It is based on a Sistema frame and a Armscorp slide.

The third one is almost finished, and is a 4.25 CCO, based on a RIA frame/slide. No pics until done.

I really enjoy doing this, but I admit: it is EXPENSIVE!

It does NOT save money.

My Caspian has all ed brown parts, except C&S trigger, and it cost me around $1200 so far, without a final finish on it. A SA Trophy match would cost around that much, with checkered front strap. A Kimber Gold Match is around the same price, and a Team Gold Match is around $1800.

When I am done, I expect the finish to run me close to $400, counting shipping both ways. I am into mine for over $1500, but probably couldn't sell it for more than $1100 at that point.

PLAN, PLAN, PLAN. It isn't hard: but it IS time consuming, you have to be patient, and you have to be willing to spend more than the final product might be worth. I didn't realize that I REALLY needed a drill press to do the bushing 'right'. Table-top for $180 and I am set for life, as I can use it on other projects, but it was another $180.

That said, you could build up a different frame and have $1800 into a gun that might be sold by Wilson for $3000.

It all depends on what YOU want it for.


I will say this: it seems like a waste to buy all the tools and then just build a basic 'g.i.-spec' 1911. No grip safety fitting, or other parts. Simple. And I am just as happy shooting a Springfield GI for the cost of the frame and slide, fit, for a home build.

Good luck: keep us posted!

All the others responded as I typed. Good ideas everyone!:D
 
Recommendation: don't do it to save money, but because you want the pleasure of doing one for the sake of doing it.

+1 This is spot on! Buy the time you buy the tools get the parts mess up some parts you will have spent over $1000 if you buy quality parts.

I know that some people have bought the parts kits from Sarco for their first build because they do not feel bad about messing it up. Then from there invest in higher end frame, slide, barrel and small parts.
 
Fusion sells fitted frame/slide/barrel kits that are finished to differing levels of completion depending on what you're looking for. They're parts are good quality but, as has been said, you won't be getting away cheap no matter how you do it. http://www.fusionfirearms.com/product-category/kits/1911-pistol-kits/

I have considered the idea myself but don't have the experience to risk butchering a gun as an experiment. I have custom 1911s but they've been built by far more skilled hands than mine.
 
Assembling a service grade 1911 from parts or a kit-a "Frankenstein" gun-is a good way to develop some basic skills, see how those internal parts go together and work.
 
…buy the Kuhnhausen 1911 manuals-both volume I and volume II. Don't try to build one until you have read them and understand what they say…


…it IS time consuming, you have to be patient,…

Special emphasis on the above. Seriously.

The first second so much as a hint of frustration or confusion sets in, put down the tools and back away from the work bench. Come back an hour later after your head clears. Heck, even wait until the next day.

I built a M1911A1 from the ground up. If memory serves me, it took two months elapsed time. Actual hours at the bench, I didn’t pay attention to. Guessing my time and cost of parts, I probably could have purchased 3 of them. I’m glad I did it though. It shoots four inch groups at 50 yards, and it’s mine, all mine.
 
You need special tools, which are expensive and not worth buying unless you build lots of 1911s.

Literally every part needs to be filed, sanded, fitted, blended, etc.

Some slides need to have the sight dovetails cut into them.

You're SOL if you try to fit most barrels without a lathe to take off excess material.

Like other posters have said, I've built lots of AR's, worked on a bunch of semis (including 1911s), but I'd never built one from scratch.

There's just too much involved, and it's not worth it unless you plan on building them to pay the bills.
 
Whether or not you need special tools depends a lot on the intended use of the pistol, and the degree of fitting, accuracy, and finish required as well as the degree of customization. My first 1911 build was a basic Armscor slide and frame from Sarco along with a Sarco house brand barrel and parts kit. Basically, Sarco's complete 1911 kit. I'm an automotive enthusiast and general-purpose do-it-yourselfer. I assembled a fully functional and more accurate than expected pistol using nothing more than the tools I already had on hand.

Since then, I have acquired a number of more specialized gunsmithing tools, and I've built several more 1911s based on Caspian slides and frames. IMHO there is no one-size-fits-all to the tool requirements. Depending on the builder's requirements for the pistol, it's very possible to get away with not buying any tools.

That said, for the price of the parts to build that first Sarco "kit" gun, I could have just bought a Rock Island Armory pistol and saved money. But, I wouldn't have learned anything. The better understanding of how the 1911 goes together and the confidence I gained were of inestimable value.
 
I really just want to build a nice shootable 1911. Im lookin to do some nice parts. But by no means am I expecting a top teir full blown custom pistolsmith caliber gun. Just want something I can be proud of and say I built myself. For my first one I think ill look into one of the kits with frame and slide fitted.
 
I would look at Caspian for what you are looking for... but it is still going to cost you over $1000+.

I personally would not buy anything from Fusion.
 
Im wondering how many guys here have built a 1911. Ive been into the 1911 platform for a few years now, and have been kicking the idea around of building one. Im wondering how difficult or easy it was for those who have done it. Im pretty handy with tools and am pretty familiar with the platform. Any recommendations from the seasoned pros? As far as parts go? Im lookin to do a full size in .45ACP
Also id love to see some pics of some of your custom 1911s.

PM'd you with info...
 
Forget it. You will spend a ton of cash and not get what you want. Send your specs to Wilson Combat and they will build it. Hands down Wilson is the best.
 
I'd give the OP a break here.

He's got a grand to spend on a project and, if he gets Kuhnhausen's 1911 "bible" and constantly refers to it at the bench while fitting and assembling the gun, he'll have a decent shooter.

SARCO has a complete parts kit with a "commercial" slide and barrel for $235 sans frame for a 5" GM, and other kits that contain lesser parts depending on the need.

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/shotgunnewsad.aspx (Look in the 10th of the month ad: sometimes out of stock.)

Yes, it has the very small GI sights, plastic grip panels, MIM parts, etc., and most all need much fitting, time, and patience, but the OP will learn pretty much everything one needs to know about "building"/assembling a 1911 GM. A previous poster addressed that concerning frustration, walking away from the bench, thinking and researching the stumbling point, and returning to the bench better prepared.

All the OP needs is a good, stripped 100% frame (or better) at ~250 or less + finish (blued, parked, Cerrokoted, etc.).

He'll have ~$550 invested and have gained a wealth of knowledge. If the OP ruins a few parts while fitting them (thumb safety, sear, hammer, slide stop, et al), he still has beaucoup money left for replacements to try again.

Been there, done that last winter.

I'm sure many have seen this pic before, but this is my successful attempt at a 1911 .22 after obtaining the stripped frame, obtaining parts, and 3 months (off and on) of labor:

1911Project020_zps7e0aab0c.jpg


Good luck to the OP, have fun, and enjoy the satisfaction of having done it yourself.

Jim
 
Thanks AK... Im gonna go for it. If I sent Wilson my cash and specs I wouldnt get what I want. What I want is a decent shooter 1911 that I built myself. Ive got a high end semi custom 1911, and a couple of nice production 1911s. I just really want to test my skills on a build .I have plenty of patience, and Im in need of a new project.
 
Thanks AK... Im gonna go for it. If I sent Wilson my cash and specs I wouldnt get what I want. What I want is a decent shooter 1911 that I built myself. Ive got a high end semi custom 1911, and a couple of nice production 1911s. I just really want to test my skills on a build .I have plenty of patience, and Im in need of a new project.

I was hoping I read your initial post correctly. The very best pro/con post was from jmstr (#5) who laid it ALL out! :cool:

I had anticipated a somewhat easy build based upon the fact that my .22 upper end worked flawlessly on my 1911 .45 Hardballer (yeah, I know how derided that pistol is, but mine works great). Man, was I surprised!

Anticipate lots of fitting work and, please get Kuhnhausen's book and read it 3, 4, 5 times until you are somewhat bored and think you have digested it all, put it away until you get the frame and all of the parts, check out the parts fit on the frame, then read every section of the book (and there are many) concerning that part or parts assembly. Every time you make a modification, always do a safety check to make sure the pistol functions as Mr. Browning designed it, and Mr. Kuhnhausen specifies, especially the disconnector/sear/hammer function. I would hate to be you with a 7-round mag go full uncontrollable auto upon one press of the trigger.

When you have completed your basic beginner-build pistol, you can upgrade with fancier/better parts to replace what you may deem as not up to snuff/your expectations. That's the nice thing about 1911's: one can mix and match to many extents, but remember that safety and functionality are the primary concerns.

Let us know on this thread what your experiences are. I, for one, would be very interested.

Jim
 
Many years ago Essex made stripped frames and with a readily available source of parts, both commercial and military, I was able to " build" a number of 1911's in fact probably between 35 and 40 through the years. I shot them, traded them and gave some away. Some were a real challenge to fit parts to as the early production frames were generous in metal that had to be removed. The later Essex frames were almost drop in as far as the parts went however the slides always needed lapping to the frame rails. I had Gold Cup uppers, .22 conversion kit guns a .38 Super...whatever the current parts supply would dictate. I had a lot of fun and learned a great deal about the 1911 pistol.
 
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