Build rifle from scratch - Can I really?

workinwifdakids

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I was examining the fine wares over at Numrich's, and had an odd thought: can I actually buy all the parts of a rifle, and then assemble them myself into an operating rifle? I'm not a gunsmith, and don't have any specialized tools. So, what would it take to do this? For example, they list all the parts for the M1 Carbine.

I really love the process of refurbing those milsurps and C&Rs, more than I actually enjoy buying the rifle. I'm good at following directions online, but I don't have any special smithing skills to speak of.
 
I wondered that too
I always wanted a nicer AK but really dont wanna spend that much on another one
I thought if I could buy a piece now and then I could piece it together withpout the wife knowing :cool:
Then I thought I could do this with other guns too , 1911 , AR etc.
Unfortunatly thats as far as the idea went, maybe someone else could shed some light.
 
I didn't personally do it, buy a friend of mine who has an FFL got it done for me.

I secured a dead-straight receiver, told him what I wanted, and he used his supplier and gunsmith contacts to build the finished rifle to my specs.

BTW, bring your wallet...
 
The receiver (or whatever part is serial numbered) will be treated as a gun for sale and require an FFL to accept delivery if you are not in thte same state.
You can make the receiver yourself and purchase all the other parts as long as you do not sell the finished gun.
You can purchase 80% receivers and finish them out yourself.
1911 80% frames often need the slide cuts made and a few others.
At one point I saw an SK type receiver that was bent but had no holes drilled.
 
I see your locale is So. Cal.

That would eliminate the majority of the guns that make any economical sense to build from a pile-o'-parts.
(FAL, AR15, AK47)
 
I just did a rough add up of all the parts....it's not really worth it to me. The reciever you have to have a FFL, several of the parts are currently unavailable on Numrich. Finally, you could just as easily buy a Auto Ordinance M1 Carbine brand new for roughly the same cost.
 
Sometimes I wish I had a nickel for every half finished "kit gun" or "assemble it yourself" project I have seen. Since I doubt you are really going to make a gun "from scratch" (forge and machine receiver, machine, drill, and rifle the barrel, etc.) you are just assembling a gun from parts. Without the proper gauges and tools, success will depend quite a bit on luck. Worse, many of the parts now on the market are repros, often of poor quality and so out of spec they won't fit GI carbines. Using them to build a gun could become a problem.

I think it safe to say that, even if you don't count your labor, the cost will exceed the cost of a complete, functioning carbine. If you consider the rest a "fun factor" have at it and good luck.

Jim
 
Making your rifle

Sir:
We ALL - I repeat, ALL have made our mistakes, putting a rifle together, or, "sporterizing one".
Jim Keenan, as usual, has the right advice - listen to him!
A mauser would be what I would choose to do first. I did on a Craftsman 3 inch X 10" lathe and hand tools!!!!!!!!:eek:
I'd take the bbl off, chuck in the tiny 4 jaw chuck and put the outbaord end in the tiny steady rest and with a three square file turn enough off the chamber end to correct headspace - (sometimes:eek:) I need not say more - but, my friend, go ahead and follow your dream.
Harry B.
 
One note of interest. I often read that one can "make a gun (receiver) from scratch" legally as long as one does not sell it. True, an individual can make a receiver (other than a machinegun) from scratch, but cannot have anyone else do it or assist in doing it unless that person has a manufacturer's FFL.

So, if you decide to make, say, a Mauser 98 type receiver from a block of steel, you can do it. But you can't legally waltz down to the local machine shop and have them do it for you unless they have a manufacturer's FFL. Nor can you have them do the heavy machining while you take care of the minor stuff. There may be a place (xx% completion) where they are not making a receiver, but I am not sure I would want to debate the point with a U.S. Attorney, and I doubt they would either.

Jim
 
In the "can I build a rifle" questions, the answer is "yes" with reservations.

As above, what you're actually doing is assembling a gun from parts.
The most home built guns around are the AR-15 and AK-47 series rifles.

A good many people have assembled AR-15 rifles, and the job is not all that complicated.
True, you DO need the knowledge of HOW to do it, and the tools to do it.
The AK-47 is being built from European parts kits, composed of a de-milled AK rifle.
You "build" a receiver, and assemble the parts to it, and you have a shooting rifle.

These AR and AK building projects are so popular that there are books and entire internet sites dedicated on how to do builds.

In the case of the AR-15, you buy a lower receiver from a gun dealer, since that's the part with a serial number, then you buy the upper, barrel, and other parts and basically just put them together.
Tools are not too expensive, and there's surprisingly little fitting needed "most" of the time.

The AK rifles are being built with receivers that are a flat piece of steel with the holes cut, in which case you actually use bending equipment to bend the metal and make a working receiver.
Other unfinished receivers are a piece of steel channel bent into shape, but with no holes.

By welding, riveting or screwing the receiver together and attaching parts, you can actually build a surprisingly good quality AK rifle.

The outlay for tools can be expensive depending on what you buy and how good you want, or some internet gun sites are advertising "build parties" where people get together and use each other tools to assemble rifles.

Again, this IS very possible to do and a good many people ARE doing it, and it's legal to do so, as long as you follow the rules.
 
building a rifle

Sir:
May I say that there were several rifle makers in the 1800s' and 1850s' who did build the whole rifle - forged and drilled and reamed and rifled the barrels, cast the guadrs and other furniture made the lock stock and barrel!
They were the early muzzle loading gunsmiths! People like Elmer Wolfe (his shop was outside on the side of his building) and several others! Their work was the finest! Their rifles were more accurate than any super dooper bench rest rifle. I honor them.
I've built many muzzle loaders - one almost from scratch - many like the early smiths did by buying the bbl and lock and furniture. Making the stock from walnut and cherry cut on the farm!
My late son said, "you are not a real 1911 pistolsmith until you can checker the front-strap." and I say, "you're not a real riflesmith till you've built a muzzle loader from scratch (not from a kit).
Harry B.
 
These AR and AK building projects are so popular that there are books and entire internet sites dedicated on how to do builds.

anyone give me the name of a webiste for this please
 
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