Browning Buck mark Feed issues

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gnowlan01

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While shooting my 22cal Browning Buck Mark, I started getting stove piping feeds. Case extractor looked worn/beat up. I replaced the extractor with a quality replacement from a popular and reputable online source. Stove piping just about disappeared and now I have a new symptom. At random, after inserting a mag with 5 rounds in it and closing the slide, the 1st round always fires, then randomly, with one of the following rounds, The trigger appears to release the hammer with a noticeably light clicking sound. I then manually cycle the slide back and notice that the slide is now attempting to pick up a new round while a live (unstruck) round is still in the barrel. I have cleaned the gun as if it was New, with the same results. It appears the hammer is not always resetting. I am looking for any advise or fellow shooters who have dealt with this issue.
 
Following this topic too, as my 20 year old camper model has recently started to have a similar issue. The hammer follows the slide down on occasion.

Browning sent me a whole new top end for the gun probably 5 years ago, which was about 30K rounds or so ago.

Gun has been cleaned thoroughly several times, including ultrasonically recently. It still has the same problem- probably 1 in 30 rounds or so fails to reset the hammer.
 
gnowlan01 said:
....the slide is now attempting to pick up a new round while a live (unstruck) round is still in the barrel....
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I think that this new issue of yours is still an extractor problem. I have a Buck Mark that I purchased earlier this year that had chronic failure to feed and failure to fire symptoms, like yours it would chamber a round but the extractor was not engaged on the rim and the round would not fire. I surmise that the extractor by not being engaged on the rim was holding the bolt back enough to prevent the firing pin from striking the cartridge rim. Replacing the factory extractor with a Volquartsen extractor has essentially eliminated the issue. Volquartsen has discontinued the Buck Mark extractor, but some vendors still have them in stock. Now if your replacement extractor is a Volquartsen, then maybe I'm off base here.

I've read somewhere that the Buck Mark acts as a controlled feed system, when it strips a cartridge from the magazine the rim is captured under the extractor and the cartridge is held in place as the slide closes. If the extractor doesn't engage the cartridge right away, then we have all sorts of feeding issues.
 
The only time my late '90's Buckmark Camper has failed was when I put an aftermarket barrel on and the feed ramp began to come loose from the barrel, they replaced it and it's been fine but just make sure it's really clean and nothing is coming loose.
 
Hard to believe but . . .

Well, it would be hard to believe . . . but maybe you are the first person ever to wear one out.

Life is good.
Prof Young
 
Well, it would be hard to believe . . . but maybe you are the first person ever to wear one out.
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I put over 300,000 rounds through two of them back in the 1990’s through though 2004 and didn’t wear either of them out. I had three of them and used two of them extensively and kept the third for parts which I never needed. I doubt the OP wore his out. I’m still waiting for the answer to the trigger question.
 
Sounds like the trigger was pulled when gun was out of battery.

Sounds like it was out of battery because extractor not over the rim. New extractor could be sticking or the mag spring might be too light. I would try a different mag or replace the spring after inspecting the new extractor. The new extractor is highly suspect as it is the changed part. That said, it was replaced due to wear pointing at old mag spring too. Hmm
 
LeverGunFan said:
I think that this new issue of yours is still an extractor problem. I have a Buck Mark that I purchased earlier this year that had chronic failure to feed and failure to fire symptoms, like yours it would chamber a round but the extractor was not engaged on the rim and the round would not fire. I surmise that the extractor by not being engaged on the rim was holding the bolt back enough to prevent the firing pin from striking the cartridge rim. Replacing the factory extractor with a Volquartsen extractor has essentially eliminated the issue. Volquartsen has discontinued the Buck Mark extractor, but some vendors still have them in stock. Now if your replacement extractor is a Volquartsen, then maybe I'm off base here.

I've read somewhere that the Buck Mark acts as a controlled feed system, when it strips a cartridge from the magazine the rim is captured under the extractor and the cartridge is held in place as the slide closes. If the extractor doesn't engage the cartridge right away, then we have all sorts of feeding issues.
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From the action I see, the round has a pretty steep climb up the ramp and into the barrel chamber. The extractor does not appear to engage the case until just before the slide is closed. Thank You for your reply.
 
Nathan said:
Sounds like the trigger was pulled when gun was out of battery.

Sounds like it was out of battery because extractor not over the rim. New extractor could be sticking or the mag spring might be too light. I would try a different mag or replace the spring after inspecting the new extractor. The new extractor is highly suspect as it is the changed part. That said, it was replaced due to wear pointing at old mag spring too. Hmm
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I did order an OEM extractor just to eliminate my new extractor as a variable as you have mentioned. I am however having the same issue with the 5 mags that I use every week during gallery matches. The gun is relatively new. Gun might have seen Maybe 1000 rounds! Thank You for your reply. OEM extractor expected in two days. I will post if anything changes with the OEM part
 
Nathan said:
Sounds like the trigger was pulled when gun was out of battery.

Sounds like it was out of battery because extractor not over the rim. New extractor could be sticking or the mag spring might be too light. I would try a different mag or replace the spring after inspecting the new extractor. The new extractor is highly suspect as it is the changed part. That said, it was replaced due to wear pointing at old mag spring too. Hmm
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I am baffled also. I am having the same issue with 5 different mags that I use every week during gallery matches. The gun is relatively new. Gun might have seen Maybe 1000 rounds! Thank You for your reply. OEM extractor expected in two days. I will post if anything changes with the OEM part
 
mikejonestkd said:
Following this topic too, as my 20 year old camper model has recently started to have a similar issue. The hammer follows the slide down on occasion.

Browning sent me a whole new top end for the gun probably 5 years ago, which was about 30K rounds or so ago.

Gun has been cleaned thoroughly several times, including ultrasonically recently. It still has the same problem- probably 1 in 30 rounds or so fails to reset the hammer.
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You raise a good point. The only thing I have not disassembled is the hammer and its spring ! I should remove, clean, and inspect the hammer and spring. Thank You for your reply. BUT --- I'll wait to see if there's any change after putting an OEM extractor in the slide to verify one variable at a time.
 
I would shoot it now and see if the extractor is not over the rim when the slide goes forward. You should be able to see why.
 
Is the chamber clean? Sounds like your gun isn't seating the rounds all the way and the hammer strike moves the slide and doesn't have the force to set off the primer in that case. I had to chamfer my chamber to not shave lead and to make it smoother feeding and more reliable.
 
"...round is still in the barrel..." That's an extractor issue. Especially when it happens when you manually cycle the action. There's an extractor spring too.
Buckmarks seems to have an extractor/ejector issue. Lotta posts on a lot of forums about 'em.
Stove piping can be the extractor or ejector. It can also be the ammo with a .22.
"...same issue with the 5 mags..." That eliminates a mag related issue.
When was the last time you gave it a really good bath?
Always start with the cheap and easy stuff and work towards the complex expensive.
 
Buck Mark feed response to "ammo.crafter"

CCI Standard is what I use. The Buck Mark typically worked flawlessly with CCI Standard.
Thanks for your reply.
 
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Nathan said:
I would shoot it now and see if the extractor is not over the rim when the slide goes forward. You should be able to see why.
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With the normal force of the slide spring,(IE - Releasing the slide forward by depressing the slide takedown release), it appears to always seat completely. If I slowly/manually release the slide forward it does NOT seat completely without a gently push Forward. That push gets the extractor tip beyond the case rim.
 
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