Brits to Recal 200,000 rifles from Military

USP45

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Hmmm... did Colt buy HK years ago without us knowing it??? :)

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MoD calls in 200,000
rifles

Richard Norton-Taylor
Saturday June 24, 2000

Two thirds of the 300,000 standard rifles
used by British armed forces are to be
withdrawn from service in an extensive
£80m modification programme, the
Ministry of Defence announced yesterday.

It is the latest twist in a saga which has
caused the ministry acute embarrassment.
Soldiers have been complaining since the
1991 Gulf war that the ministry-designed
SA 80 rifle is prone to jamming

It was also described as "unreliable and
insufficiently robust" in a leaked report
from British commanders in Kosovo last
year.

In 1995, the MoD ordered full-scale tests
to be carried out. Heckler & Koch was
asked to study the weapon and reported
back in 1998. A final report was handed to
the defence secretary, Geoff Hoon, last
December after what the MoD described
as comprehensive climatic trials.

The weapons will be stripped in Britain but
are likely to be remade by Heckler &
Koch's plant in Oberndorf, Germany,
which designed the modifications.
Changes will be made to the weapon's
barrel, bolt head, hammer, firing pin,
magazine, springs, and cocking lever.

Heckler & Koch is a subsidiary of Royal
Ordnance, which is owned by the British
company BAE Systems. The rifle entered
service in the mid-1980s when Royal
Ordnance was part of the MoD. Critics of
the weapon blame the problems partly on
the ministry's determination to produce a
British-made gun rather than buy foreign
models.

Baroness Symons, the defence
procurement minister, said that 22,000 of
the modified weapons will be delivered by
the end of next year.


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~USP

"[Even if there would be] few tears shed if and when the Second Amendment is held to guarantee nothing more than the state National Guard, this would simply show that the Founders were right when they feared that some future generation might wish to abandon liberties that they considered essential, and so sought to protect those liberties in a Bill of Rights. We may tolerate the abridgement of property rights and the elimination of a right to bear arms; but we should not pretend that these are not reductions of rights." -- Justice Scalia 1998

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If I remember correctly, there were major complaints about the SA-80 pre-dating the Gulf War.

I was given to understand that the British Army was issuing a tube of super-glue per rifle, so that the troopies could glue broken parts back on. And something about the "shoot-through" bayonet grip being ignited by muzzle-flash.

LawDog
 
The SA80 is basically a piece of crap, and by a very large margin so.
The Bernese state police bought one back when they were evaluating
some .223 caliber weapons, and it rated last. To my information, the
quality got a little bit better, but not much so.

Guess why the Brits kept their FALs! ;)

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They allso will not stay in zero.The slightest bump on the optics and they are out.Good combat weapon.Will not function and can't hit anything with them.

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beemerb
We have a criminal jury system which is superior to any in the world;
and its efficiency is only marred by the difficulty of finding twelve men
every day who don't know anything and can't read.
-Mark Twain
 
"Changes will be made to the weapon's
barrel, bolt head, hammer, firing pin,
magazine, springs, and cocking lever." Seems like they got the frame and stock right. Nice to know the Brits are armed with short clubs.
 
The SA 80 has had these problems from day one and should have never been adopted in the first place. There was a big push for the bullpup for use in Northern Ireland because the standard FAL was too big for house clearing. Why they didn't just issue those troops subguns like the MP5 in the first place is beyond me.
 
The Redcoats are Jamming
The Redcoats are Jamming

Hey, maybe Bill can have Tony order
a whole bunch of rifles from Colt
and some new SW handguns.

Make sure they are smart guns too.
 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jay Baker:
Well, any rifle that is "insufficiently robust," SHOULD be recalled, what what.

J.B.
[/quote]

I say , old bean . A chap could be soundly thrashed relying on such a piece of twaddle .



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TOM
SASS AMERICAN LEGION NRA
 
Maybe they'd better hang on to some of those millions of Lee-Enfields that were made just in case. At least they worked as long as you didn't overlap the case rims.

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I thought that the entire receiver of the SA80/L85 system was too thin. I read that the metal was not strong enough to resist denting or warping, and that an increase of .5mm would have solved that problem. Did the MoD correct that in later models? Or is it a problem they are going to tolerate?
 
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