Brits to curb sales of airguns

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MPs Demand Sales Curbs On Airguns

Sunday Telegraph, UK
19 March 2000
By David Bamber

The number of airguns being sold in Britain will be reduced by up to 70
per cent under proposals to be recommended by a powerful committee of MPs.

The Home Affairs Select Committee will publish a report next month outlining
curbs on the weapons. They believe that the guns are increasingly being used
in robberies and also cost lives as a result of accidents and being misused
by teenagers. MPs also believe that the restrictions on handguns since the
Dunblane massacre has been a success and think that a similar purge
should be aimed at airguns.

Under the proposals all sales of the airguns will be banned from the
internet, and mail-order sales will also be restricted. Another proposal is
for an airgun amnesty, a month long annual event at police stations
during which the public will be asked to surrender the weapons.

The move will cause outrage in country areas where the guns are widely used
in sport. Country dwellers believe their traditional way of life has been
threatened by the collapse in farm prices, the threatened ban on
foxhunting
and the Government’s plans to build new housing estates.

But despite this, MPs are determined to take action to cut the number of
air rifles and air pistols in circulation. There are more than 4.5 million
air rifles in Britain and controls over their sale are limited. At the moment
people buying the weapons have to be over 16, although they can be used,
but not owned, by anyone over 14.

The MPs were shocked by some cases of the guns being responsible for tragic
deaths of teenagers. Last July, George Atkinson, 13, was shot as he
played with his sister and cousins in the garden of their house near Wrexham,
North Wales. He was critically injured when a pellet hit him in the neck and
lodged in his brain.

Also last year, Thomas Stafford, 16, a pupil at Shiplake College, Berkshire,
died from an air rifle pellet. He had been staying at the home of his
sisters boyfriend in Bleasdale, Lancashire, and collapsed with a wound to the
head shortly after he and a gamekeeper had returned from a day’s shooting
with air rifles.

The police also told MPs that they are concerned about guns being used in
crimes. Government figures show that 8,615 criminal offences using airguns
were committed in 1998. The MPs believe that restricting sales to properly
supervised shops and banning other outlets could reduce the numbers of
weapons sold. If no improvement in misuse figures are shown by the
measures,
a licensing scheme could be introduced.

The scheme was inspired early last year by Chris Mullin, the Home Affairs
Select Committee’s then chairman who is now a minister at the Department
of
the Environment, Transport and the Regions. He has been a long-time
campaigner for more controls over airguns. Many changes in the law have
been
inspired by similar reports.

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
Even with all our governmetn's flaws, stories like this make me greatful to have our Constitution. With it, sooner or later the SC gets to rule.

The British are STUCK with socialist SH*T like this.

Yeah, there are SO MANY crimes committed with air rifles! (Just ask HCI. I'm sure they can scrounge up some numbers to back that up!)

If the people put up with it, they get what they deserve. NEVER register, NEVER "turn them in". NEVER.



[This message has been edited by Dennis Olson (edited March 22, 2000).]
 
I guess they watched "A Christmas Story" too much - Careful kid you'll shoot your eye out.

You know, they really have to be sissies to go that far. Look out !! He's coming at you with a Daisy Pal.
 
I think there are underlying reasons for this:

1) The typical liberal BS about discouraging the "gun culture"

2) More importantly.....Crimes with guns have gone up (even though they are banned ;))...the average folks are pissed. So, the authorities have said that more than half of times a gun is "seen" during a crime it is a fake, toy or airgun. Easy to say if no shots are fired and no gun is captured. This was based on a college study where some prisoners were interviewed and more than half said they always used fake guns. As if they'd confess to using a real gun if they weren't captured with it :)

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"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" RKBA!
 
Next they will want to ban soap.
Yeah.....someone could carve a gun from a bar of soap, one can't be too bloody careful now, can one? :rolleyes:

What a bunch of BS.


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"Lead, follow or get the HELL out of the way."
 
DC, Sounds like a great way toget some people killed. If they continue to spout this BS about fakes I can see someone actually believing them and taking a perp on. What happens when it turns out to be a real gun. One dead cop/home owner and more BS laws.

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"Liberty is never unalienable; it must be redeemed regularly with the blood of patriots or it always vanishes."
-R.A. Heinlein
 
I have a $23 air gun which I got for teaching kids. I has got little use lately. I am, however, thinking of getting a "real" pistol pellet gun for practice of my own.

Pity I have to put off getting one of them dangerous pellet guns. More mundane household concerns like a perfectly harmless Kel-tec "toy gun" P11 have to be dealt with first...
Thank you, S&W for providing the motivation and thank you, Colt for making the choice between unavailable .380 Mustang Pocketlite backed by atrocious service and an available 9x19 P11 backed by a great company and available at 1/2 price of the Mustang. Don't have the P11 yet but a store is saving one for me.

BTW, the trigger pull on that is nice than most DA revolvers that I have tried. I would have preferred Steyr M9/HK P7M8 crisp triggers but theose are heavier and bigger and 3-3.5x the price and so would have to wait...

Anyhow, Kel-tec ought to thank the British MPs and S&W reps for being such convincing salesmen.

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ObON-topic
Air guns were outlawed in many European countries during the 18th century. They were viewed as far too suitable for poaching and asassinations. Many air gun owners had decorative flint locks added to their guns to disguise their nature. Real guns were apparently allright to have. So, have we advanced much since those times?

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Oleg "cornered rat" Volk (JPFO,NRA)

http://dd-b.net/RKBA
 
You know, the "fake" issue is really interesting. In Oz last year they prosecuted a toy store owner under the new GUN LAWS for having a case of brightly colored PLASTIC toy guns!

The guy nearly lost his freedom and livelihood over $20 worth of PLASTIC!

You know, I firmly believe that the whole plan is to eliminate the "gun culture", as has been stated above. My 13 yo son and I went to the first session of hunter safety classes last night (I gave him my old .22 for his 13th birthday present last year), and as we stood outside waiting to register, I said to him, "You know, you're the last generation. By the time you have kids old enough to shoot, our right to own guns will have been eliminated."

Who among us can say that this is NOT the case? The last generation to fully embrace the gun culture came of age in the 50's. The next generation (of the 70's) was MUCH less interested in guns and shooting activites with dad, either hunting of at the range.

The next generation (of the 90's) is rabidly fearful of guns. They'll raise their children in their image. Around 2010 or so, when the RKBA is removed, will those new adults even notice?

We shall, I believe, live to see the end of the gun culture in America. After that, I don't give it 10 years until the arrival of the First American King, and the demise of the Constitution.

This is the most depressing line of reasoning I think I've ever taken.
 
They hate us. Some might think that it's only the scary gun shooters or the self-defense handgun shooters. But there hatred is no different for even the most 'benign' of shooters, airgunners. Shooters are one of the few groups that are politically correct to hate. It doesn't matter if we sit in the back of the bus or use seperate bathrooms, they will still come around with their version of burning crosses in our lawns no matter how much we kiss their *ss through compromise.
 
Actually, I would expect the next generation to be very fearful of being caught without a gun, a submachine gun or a shotgun, preferably. I fully expect to see the IRA vs. SAS scenario here with the attendant casualties, destruction and fear if the mess keeps on going.
 
The airgun thing in Britain simply points out that there is no reasonable limit with the anti-gun crowd. The goal is complete elimination of the "gun culture". Next, it will be squirt guns!
 
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