Brits are granted right of self-defense...kinda

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Brits Get Right to Self Defense

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'Have-a-go heroes' get legal right to defend themselves

By Richard Edwards, Crime Correspondent and Chris Hope, Home Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 6:54AM BST 16/07/2008


Home owners and “have-a go-heroes” have for the first time been given the legal right to defend themselves against burglars and muggers free from fear of prosecution.

They will be able to use force against criminals who break into their homes or attack them in the street without worrying that "heat of the moment” misjudgements could see them brought before the courts.

Under new laws police and prosecutors will have to assess a person’s actions based on the person’s situation "as they saw it at the time” even if in hindsight it could be seen as unreasonable.

For example, homeowners would be able stab or shoot a burglar if confronted or tackle them and use force to detain them until police arrive. Muggers could be legally punched and beaten in the street or have their own weapons used against them.


However, attacking a fleeing criminal with a weapon is not permitted nor is lying in wait to ambush them.

The new laws follow a growing public campaign for people to be given the right to defend themselves and their own homes in the wake of a number of high profile cases.

In 2000, Tony Martin, the Norfolk farmer, was sent to prison for manslaughter for shooting an intruder in his home.

Earlier this year, Tony Singh, a shopkeeper, found himself facing a murder charge after he defended himself against an armed robber who tried to steal his takings. During the struggle the robber received a single fatal stab wound to the heart with his own knife.

The Crown Prosecution Service eventually decided Mr Singh should not be charged.

Until now people have had to prove in court that they acted in self defence but the changes mean police and the Crown Prosecution Service will decide on cases before this stage.

Jack Straw, the Justice Secretary, said that people would be protected legally if they defend themselves "instinctively”; they fear for their own safety or that of others; and the level of force used is not excessive or disproportionate.

He added the changes in law were designed to ensure the criminal justice system was weighted in favour of the victim.

Mr Straw – and other Labour ministers – have previously repeatedly blocked attempts by opposition MPs to give greater protection to householders.

In 2004 Tony Blair promised to review the existing legislation after he admitted there was "genuine public concern” about the issue.

But his pledge was dropped weeks later after the then Home Secretary Charles Clarke concluded that the current law was "sound”.

Two Private Member’s Bills on the issue were tabled by the Tories around the time of the 2005 general election, but both were sunk by the Government.

In 2004, a Tory Bill designed to give the public the right to forcibly tackle burglars was also rejected.

The new self defence law, which came into force yesterday, is contained in the Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 and was announced by Mr Straw last September.

He is understood to have decided new laws were necessary after he was involved in four "have-a go’’ incidents, which included chasing and restraining muggers near his south London home.

Opposition leaders said it offered nothing new and was merely the latest policy designed to appeal to core Tory voters.

In practice, householders are seldom prosecuted if they harm or even kill an intruder but the Act will give them greater legal protection.

Nick Herbert, the Shadow Justice Secretary, said: "This is a typical Labour con – it will give no greater protection to householders confronted by burglars because it’s nothing more than a re-statement of the existing case law.”

Mr Straw said: "The justice system must not only work on the side of people who do the right thing as good citizens, but also be seen to work on their side.

"The Government strongly supports the right of law abiding people to defend themselves, their families and their property with reasonable force. This law will help to make sure that that right is upheld and that the criminal justice system is firmly weighted in favour of the victim.

"Dealing with crime is not just the responsibility of the police, courts and prisons; it’s the responsibility of all of us. Communities with the lowest crime and the greatest safety are the ones with the most active citizens with a greater sense of shared values, inspired by a sense of belonging and duty to others, who are empowered by the state and are also supported by it – in other words, making a reality of justice.

"These changes in the law will make clear – victims of crime, and those who intervene to prevent crime, should be treated with respect by the justice system. We do not want to encourage vigilantism, but there can be no justice in a system which makes the victim the criminal."

It came as it emerged that homeowners could have to wait up to three days after reporting a crime to see a police officer, according to a leaked draft of the Policing Green Paper.

It sets out new national standards for local policing for all 43 forces cross England and Wales.

Callers to the police will be given set times within which officers will attend an incident.

The paper says that this will be "within three hours it if requires policing intervention or three days if there is less immediate need for a police presence."

However, the Home Office would not comment on the plans.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...hemselves.html

If the UK political class finally have figured things out, where does that leave Mayor Fenty?

And will the UK judiciary pay attention to the new law? They have been zealous in pursuing the law-abiding who defend themselves. Will there be reconsideration of the people imprisoned due to this defense of the criminal class?

And, maybe, just maybe, does Heller have something to do with this? There was a lot of (ancient) UK law cited by SCOTUS and the DC Circuit in the majority opinions...
 
It would appear they need more than a watered-down castle doctrine, though:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article4469907.ece
Youths throw woman on railway line in station no smoking row
The woman had apparently asked the youths to stop smoking
From Times Online
August 6, 2008

Fran Yeoman and Nico Hines
A female commuter was thrown on to a live railway line this morning after telling two young men to stop smoking on a station platform.

The 58-year-old woman, whose identity is not known, suffered burns and a suspected broken collar bone and was taken to hospital after the incident, at Farningham Road station in Kent during the rush hour shortly after 7am. Police said she had been lucky to escape with her life.

The men who pushed her, said to be in their early to mid 20s, had earlier this week been asked by the woman to stop smoking on the platform, where it is banned. Today's attack took place after they recognised her from the earlier confrontation. Fellow commuters rushed to her aid after she fell onto the tracks and dragged her to safety.

“It would appear the woman had spoken to the men about smoking earlier this week,” said Detective Inspector Bob Richardson, of British Transport Police.

“This morning when she was at the station, she was walking past the same men when one of them pushed her and she fell onto the track.”

The woman suffered a fractured wrist and bruising to her legs, but Detective Inspector Richardson said it could have been much more serious.

“The third rail carries 750 volts of electricity and she could have been electrocuted or even struck by an early morning train,” he said.

British Transport Police are studying CCTV footage of the incident and were said to be following up a number of leads.

One of the men was described as white, aged in his mid 20s, about 6ft tall, with a stocky build. He had short cropped brown hair, was wearing beige shorts, a green round-necked T-shirt and trainers.

The second man was white, in his early 20s, with a medium build, bright red shorts and a dark top.

Earlier, one witness had said that the woman was pregnant, although this has not been confirmed.

“We are appalled by this incident and hope the perpetrators are quickly identified," a South Eastern trains spokesman said.

Services between Kent and London were disrupted because the power had to be turned off.

Smoking was banned on England’s 1,900 railway stations last July.

I always feel compelled just to memorialize events like this one - this was the most recent thread relating to England I could find. The medium by which one pursues violence bears no relation to the individual capacity for violence. That's the fatal flaw of gun control, and the analogous behavior of unarmed degenerates in all political environments is the final say.
 
The new laws follow a growing public campaign for people to be given the right to defend themselves

Ugh.:barf:

Given?!?

That's how they lost it in the first place. Seize it, use it, or lose it. Although it's never really lost, even then.
 
How can a homeowner shoot someone in their house? Don't they have to have any guns in their home unloaded and securely stored in a government approved storage device?

"Blimey, can ya 'old on a minute there, Chap?" Oi've guttew unlock me gun and load er, so's Oi can defend meself against ya".
 
The sad thing is the tone of the article. It is written as if it is some kind of "radically new" way of thinking about your home and the life of it's occupants.

What the hell happened to that country?
 
Citizen Carrier posted:
The sad thing is the tone of the article. It is written as if it is some kind of "radically new" way of thinking about your home and the life of it's occupants.

What the hell happened to that country?

Well, that country has a climate which is predominently cold and wet. You ever see what happens to the fruit of your loins when you are in cold water for any length of time? They tend to shrink. :D
 
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