Bringing a stick to a gunfight

Jffal

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I think Professor Forbes and her attitude are as repulsive as her (late) rampaging son.

I wonder how long she has been at my old Alma Mater?

Jeff

Address:http://web.philly.com/content/inquirer/2000/06/29/city/29shoot.htm

Thursday, June 29, 2000

Abraham says Lower Merion officer's fatal shooting of suspect was justified

By Michael Rubinkam
ASSOCIATED PRESS
The fatal shooting of a suspected robber by a Lower Merion Township police officer was justified, District Attorney Lynne Abraham said today.
Erin Forbes, 26, was shot once in the chest by officer John Salkowski after Forbes ran toward Salkowski brandishing a heavy walking stick, Abraham said.
Salkowski "was fully justified in using deadly force to repel the deadly force which was about to be inflicted upon him," Abraham said. "Had Officer Salkowski waited but a fraction of a second longer, I am convinced ... (he) could have very well been very seriously injured if not killed himself." Forbes was shot Jan. 10 around 5 a.m. after township police forced his car to stop on City Avenue, just a few feet inside the Philadelphia border. Minutes earlier, Forbes had clubbed a clerk with a night stick and stolen $4 from a Sunoco A-Plus store in the suburb of Bryn Mawr, police said.
When police ordered him to show his hands, Forbes got out of his car and ran at Salkowski, Abraham said. Salkowski, a two-year member of the force, ordered Forbes to stop and quickly backpedaled before firing when they were about 4 feet apart, she said.
Toxicology tests on Forbes' body showed evidence that Forbes had taken a "speedball," a combination of cocaine and heroin, about three to five hours before his death, the prosecutor said.
In February, Forbes' parents filed a wrongful-death lawsuit against the township, Salkowski, Lower Merion Police Superintendent Joseph J. Daly and other police officers.
Ella Forbes, a Temple University professor of African American studies, did not immediately return a call for comment Thursday. She previously said her son was "murdered" and alleged that skin color might have been a factor in the shooting.
Erin Forbes was black.
She has acknowledged her son had a history of drug abuse, but said he had been clean for three years. Erin Forbes spent two years in the Army infantry and was working as a night watchman at the time of the shooting.
"The family was absolutely dumbstruck by the fact that their son had begun to abuse drugs and perhaps alcohol again. It was a shock to them," Abraham said.
The Forbes' complaint alleges that Lower Merion police officers had no probable cause to stop their son and that he not resisted arrest or tried to flee.
He "was unarmed and held his hands in view of police" as he stepped out of the car, at which point police fired at him "without provocation," the complaint said.
Democratic U.S. Rep. Chaka Fattah of Philadelphia has asked the Justice Department to investigate the shooting.
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Having seen the damage a "heavy walking stick" will do, and given that the officer backed up about four feet, I'd say the critter was bought and paid for.

LawDog
 
So this guy is a doper and clubbed the clerk to rob them of four bucks. Then he charges the officer with the same night stick used to club the clerk. I think the officer would have shot him with equal enthusiasm regardless of skin color.
Now the city will have to use tax dollars to defend against a wrongful death suit. :mad:

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Gunslinger
 
Something doesn't add up. Do the parents have witnesses who claim to have seen their son murdered in cold blood while offering no resistance? 'Cause, honestly, it's hard to imagine ANYONE being so reasonable after a speedball, isn't it? Some people will do anything to protect their denial.
 
A stick in the hands of a person who knows how to use it is certainly a lethal weapon. Had I been the officer I would have fired at the perp until he went down and stayed down.
 
A stick in the hands of a desperate person with no martial train is still a formidable threat. Ditto knives, etc.

Most of those lice who are arrested for bludgeoning their victim apparently have no Kendo, FMA or comparable training.

If the story details reported here are legit, it sounds as though the officer bent over backwards attempting to avoid the shooting, at the risk of his own safety.

Too bad the mom can't be sued for negligence on her part over her late sons' actions.

Jeff
 
Real bright offspring. Him and perffessor mommy sound like candidates for the Darwin award. The apple didn`t fall far from the tree it would seem.
 
[sarcasm] Yep, I'm sure this officer was probably just bored to tears one night and thought to himself, "Hey, maybe I could just pull over some black guy for no reason at all and pop a cap on him. Yeah, that'd liven things up a bit. What the he**, I'm a cop, nobody'll even give it a second thought - nobody questions the actions of a cop." [/sarcasm] *Sigh*

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein
"Power corrupts. Absolute power - is kinda cool!"
Fred Reed
 
Stupidity can be Fatal. Just not often enough.
Eric

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Formerly Puddle Pirate.
Teach a kid to shoot.
It annoys the antis.
 
From the evidence of the article, it sounds like a good shoot.

I seriously doubt a CCL holder would be given the same benefit of the doubt.
 
Mikul -
Not sure about that. Generally, a private citizen would be considered to have fewer options available to them, and not be held to as high a standard as an LEO. (Note: generally)

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"...and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."
Luke 22:36
"An armed society is a polite society."
Robert Heinlein
"Power corrupts. Absolute power - is kinda cool!"
Fred Reed
 
A contact weapon (club, knife, etc.) is deadly force, and can be responded to with deadly force. If you have a gun, you can be hit over the head, your gun taken and you shot with it. If you don't have a gun, you can be knocked unconscious and beaten to death. Either way, your life's in danger when someone gets within 20 feet of you with a club or other contact weapon if brandished in a threatening manner. Shoot to incapacitate in that situation.
 
A club in the head can do grievous bodily harm. Get a neuropsychologist or neurosurgeon to testify at your trial.

A friend of mine worked in one such ward in the VA. Said he wanted to wear a football helmet the rest of his life. He saw plenty of folk who get bumped and then spend the rest of the life with some weird agnosia where they can't say any color word or forget they have two halves of their body.
 
I tried to post this at 06:13PM and it did not do anything until I posted the entry below. Read it, it is better than what was posted here, not by much but some.

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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"

[This message has been edited by Jim V (edited June 30, 2000).]
 
In a city near me, a few years back there were a number of drug dealers that were taken out of the trade by person(s) unknow wielding baseball bats.

Al Capone used a baseball bat to murder at least one of his men that had ratted on him.

I can't think of a faster way to break some major bones in a person's body than with a baseball bat in full swing.

If it come to pass that you decide to attack me with either a bat or a club of any type and you get close (30 feet or so) I will cause a large number of large holes to appear in your body. I will continue to add to the number of said holes until you cease any and all movement.

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Ne Conjuge Nobiscum
"If there be treachery, let there be jehad!"
 
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