Breneke Special Forces Slug

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cptmclark

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If this is not the right place for this thread, let me know. I'm seeing ads for two new Brenneke slugs that are apparently made from harder alloy (much more penetration) and coated (much less fouling), which mfgr claims are as accurate as any out there. I think just different color but same slug, special forces is red and green lightning is...well,...., green. Has anyone done accuracy testing with these?
Thanks for any test info you have. My best accuracy smooth bore slug is the Federal TruBall, which delivers about 1 3/4 at 50 and about 5" at 100 from my 870, which is the best I've ever seen. Leads terribly however. Leading does not seem to affect group size though. I think the Federals are pure lead and make nice flat donuts in deer. Don't take a rear quartering shot with them, in my opinion. If there is anyone else out there with as little brain as I have, who actually bench rest tests shotgun slugs, please let me know that I ain't all alone in the world.
I'll appreciate any info anyone has from testing the new loads. Thanks.
 
If your getting your best groups with trueball slugs, you must not have tried the Brenneke slugs yet.


Black Magick's got me awesome groups, much better than the trueball and also better than other Brenneke slugs I tried. Check their website, they have a whole selection of different styles for different uses.


No, your not alone.;)
 
RBW, While you may get best results with one slug doesn't mean another guy gets those results from a different gun. That is why we have so many ammo makes and models...
Brent
 
Good to have opinions. I appreciate the responses. If anyone has range results, as in group size and specified distances and with specific guns and bag technique, I would enjoy reading that too.

Example: My 20 inch smoothbore 870 amazes me with groups always less than 2 inches at 50 yards. That's with a red dot sight, and TruBall slugs.
The 20 inch rifled 870 gives its best accuracy to date with Lightfield 3" hybred Elite, at about 1700 fps with a 550 grain bullet. I wish it weren't so, since this one is very challenging to shoot groups with from the bench. Kills in front and maims in the back. I found a 5 in eye relief scope that makes it doable. I want to find a milder load or different gun. The rifled load and gun gives 3" (consistent, with some better) groups at 100 yards. In order to do this, I have to hold the gun just so, or it won't. So, since I don't have the luxury of all the time in the world with an animal, I know I can't do it in the woods, but still I want (I tell her "Need") to know its potential. The technique I found that works is to hold the forearm in my hand, firmly, but not pulling on it. The shots that get it out of my hand go out of the group. Most reliable is to lay my hand on the front bag, but while that decreases group size it also increases aiming error, since my 66 year old body is not as steady as a firm front bag. Otherwise, and when I can't hold in 1/2 inch at 100 with my hand between the bag and gun because,...well, somedays I'm not that good, I lay the front of the forearm on the bag and hold the rear of it in my hand, firmly, so it can't recoil out. Don't pull back on it, cause I can't duplicate the pull force. I think groups with the gun on the bag impact higher than from the hands, good to know, and when I shoot it sitting, the groups are lower than the bag shots, confirming this. I'm probably the only idiot who cares about this detailed stuff with a shotgun, but we have been restricted to them forever for hunting big game. So it is my big game rifle. Until this year, when the politicians made a change to allow rifles (YAY) but require pistol calibers (BOO). So I'm trying to learn to love the 44 mag, and to get some accuracy with a 445 supermag in a single shot. But I digress from the shotgun thread. Sorry.

Anyone else out there who has similar info, I'd love to read about it.
 
Mossberg 590A1 20" smooth bore.


Brenneke Black Magic, 3" 5 shot group at 50yrds. Repeatable.


Brenneke Classic, 3.5" 5 shot group at 50yrds. Repeatable with some groups better than others.


Trueball, 13" 5 shot pattern with two distinct sub groups about 9" apart each measuring 2". These things would not repeat a pattern other than to throw some one way and the rest another. Not what I expected.




All from a bag, all using Ghost ring sights which arent the best choice for this type of shooting. I generally hold the SG the same as my Bench rest AR and leave the forearm alone while curling up around the stock to rest the stock on my arm. Not what I would recommend if you dont have a strong shoulder, but it works for me.


I do however trust Brenneks to stand behind their product and reputation. The only way to test the hardness would be to shoot some wet newspaper and catch the slug with it and compare two different types.
 
I doubt I will ever make the leap to a more expensive slug...
I am quite fond of the Winchester Super "X" at under 10 bucks for 15 rounds. I am also pleasantly satisfied with the 3-4 inch groups from off hand with 18 inch barrel at 60-65 yards. Plenty fine for a deer or even hogs for me;)
Brent
 
Wow!


I shoot practical rifle at my local club and dont know many AR guys that get those groups at the yardages specified freehand, least not on a regular basis. Here we have two guys shooting from a rest getting barely the same results.

You might even get one hole groups with a better slug.:rolleyes:

Care to share your technique? Insight into your equipment, Sights?

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hogdogs said:
I am also pleasantly satisfied with the 3-4 inch groups from off hand with 18 inch barrel at 60-65 yards.
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RaisedByWolves said:
I shoot practical rifle at my local club and dont know many AR guys that get those groups at the yardages specified freehand, least not on a regular basis.
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You're saying you hang out with folks who can't shoot 3" groups at 60 yards out of a modern rifle with light recoil? That's quite hard to believe - my little sister can get 1-2" groups at 60 yards, offhand, out of my two AR-15s. :eek:
 
I am with PTK on this... I am shooting a softball size group with shotgun at that range... I shoot a .22 rifle at 65 yards into the center of a golfball... repeatedly.
Offhand, scoped, but it is a very repeatable shot.
My technique is as Dave McC says... Buy ammo, use up, repeat...
I have unknown number of rounds of shotgun shooting, practice and hunting. Less than 500 rounds were at clay pigeons. I am heavily vested in meat gathering skills. One 00 buck or slug per deer is economical shopping.
Brent
 
Wow! That's some great shooting. I sometimes shoot NRA highpower matches, and we don't shoot that well, consisently. Center of golfball constistent offhand groups at 65 yards is magnificent. Even the whole golfball would be very competitive.
 
You're saying you hang out with folks who can't shoot 3" groups at 60 yards out of a modern rifle with light recoil?
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With iron sights, yes, thats correct. What does recoil have to do with it?




Funny thing is, when your at the match, theres no such thing as bragging. People see your target and they know how well you shot, every time.;)
 
Sounds like we have some very excellent shooters here on this thread. Some of the abilities described here could certainly be winning NRA highpower matches, at least the offhand portions. I finally, after many years, got a rifle that shoots real,honest to goodness 1/2 moa groups, but unfortunatley, my ole body and eyes will not do that without help of bench and bags. I've improved to the level of being happy to keep all offhand shots in the black, which I think is 5 moa, and that seems to be about where most competitive shooters (that I know) are. 2 1/2 " at 65 would be about 3 3/4 moa, which is absolutely outstanding offhand shooting, done consistently. Concerning recoil and accuracy, I've been puzzled by the connection, and am guessing that it is the motion during barrel travel that makes the difference. Huge display of recoil management vs group size when shooting the extreme kickers, in my experience. For me, very slight technique or form changes can make significant POI changes on the target when shooting heavy kickers. But I'm talking about recoil beyond any target rifle, but I suppose the same thing may apply. Certainly rapid fire exercises are easier with the 223 than with 30 cal, in my experience. SORRY, I notice I've gotten off my own thread here. Something RBW might want to try with the heavy kickers sometime to see if it works is to hold the forearm down with the left hand during fireing, and see if it make a differece in group size. It does for me, and I credit that to the large jump of the gun not being uniform shot to shot. If I hold it on the bag, or in my hand, groups shrink. When the odd shot recoils out of my hand, the shot is a flyer. Just something to wast a bit of time and ammo on, if a guy really cares about trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear, as I do. Probably wont matter a whit when hunting of course.
 
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I do not consider myself above "acceptable" in skill level. But my learnin' by shooting running field rats kicked from under wheat stalk clumps, rats and mice runnin' the wall of a grain bin, And the primers of 12 gauge shells up yonder in a tree with bb guns... I got good enuff to please the farmers that bought my doses of Daisey Treasure chests of bb's...:D with .22 rifle and pistols I went after 20 gauge and 12 gauge hulls stuck upright in the dirt at 75 and 100 yards. I am not a one for 3 on these but too far from it... maybe about a .70 to 3...
Just ol' redneck fun:D
Brent
 
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