Brass trimmed too short

Wendyj

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My Lee trimmer has been trimming my 260 brass at 2.020. Saami calls for 2.035 to 2.025.
I trimmed a bunch today and they trimmed at 2.010 to 2.015. On average I'm 0.015 off from Saami specs. Should I toss this brass and get a new trimmer. This one is only a month old. Not sure what happened.
 
Wendyj, I am not sure which Lee trimmer you are using. If it is the Lee Case Trimmer "Case length Gauge & Shell Holder", They ALL trim a little shorter than the SAMMI spec and I would not be too concerned about it. If you are uncomfortable with that, I would look for another method of trimming your cases. As long as there is sufficient neck tension on the bullet so you do not get bullet set back, you should be good to go.

Have fun, stay safe and shoot straight.
Jim
 
Exactly as they said above. If it was just for plinking or punching holes, use it as is. If you get into something like class F shooting, thats a different story.
 
The world has not come to an end, just shoot the stuff. Over length is dangerous, under length, unless you trimmed the case so much that the bullet falls off the case neck, it is not a safety issue. Over length cases will pinch the bullet in the throat, sometimes in the rifling. This is dangerous. Any bore obstruction is dangerous, just look at the discussion on cold welding.

I have trimmed 30-06 way too short, setting up my trimmer. Loaded the stuff, fired it, shot fine, life was good.

Don't sweat it.
 
I loaded up 6 of my Sierra Match Kings. Feels good and sits deep enough. I guess I need to order another trimmer. This one just started doing this today. I'm using the Lee trim rod screwed into cutter and a lock stud in the drill chuck. They've trimmed great for me in 4 calibers. Not sure what happened this time. Maybe tips wore down. It's fairly new though. The stems are only $5.00. Just takes a week to get here. I've trimmed about 200 cases with it and I know I've trimmed over 4000 308 cases with that stem.
 
SAAMI specs are for manufacturers. Relax.
Hodgdon lists 2.025" as the trim-to length. 10 thou is a tick short but 10 thou isn't a lot either. Worst case is you'll have to adjust your seating die a bit.
"...Not sure what happened this time..." Most likely the lock stud in the drill chuck came a bit loose.
 
I've had the same experience as you where the Lee trimmer was a little on the short side. I put loctite on the threads and adjusted it to the length I desired. Haven't had a problem since. I hope that helps.
 
Loc tite should do the trick. I'll have to shoot some that I haven't trimmed too short to find out how far to unscrew it.
 
You might have some grouping changes but I agree it should be safe.

I had a similar issue with my OLD RCBS collet case trimmer. If the case rim diameter changes the case would move farther from the cutter causing short cases.

I recently purchased a L.E. Wilson trimmer and it is much more dependable.
 
WendyJ. If the SAAMI spec for case length is 2.035", the trim to length should be 2.025". Going a bit shorter like you have experienced probably won't make much of a difference on hunting and plinking loads so go ahead and use the. They'll stretch back after a few reloads anyway. As has been said, if they stretch out too far, then you'll be having problems.
I use the RCBS trimmer with the hand crank handle :D and as I load for more than one crafting, I make up a dummy case trimmed to the proper trim to length to use whenever I change cartridges. Don't know anything about the Lee as I've never used one.
Paul B.
 
Thanks for responses. I'll use them. Went ahead and ordered a new trimmer stem. Try not to ruin anymore.
 
for rifle, that shouldn't be any sort of problem as they either headspace on the shoulder or the belt or the rim.

pistol rounds such as the straight wall semiauto are the only types that you really, seriously have to watch the OAL of the case. Don't know if even a large deviation of length will affect one much. The extractor will not hold it in place. The extra headspace will allow the round to enter the barrel as the firing pin strikes, and allow it to slam back into the face of the slide. If it is far enough out of spec, your ignition will be erratic as the firing pin fails to strike consistently or even fail to fire.

Back when it was a relevant issue, a man I knew owned a smith and wession in .38 s&w. He used to cut off fired special brass, reload it to the other pistol, and fire it.

The bore was a bit larger, chamber was a bit larger. he used light charges and normal bullets for the s&w, rather than specials. his cases were slightly bulged upon firing. After one or two firings, he dumped them.

I don't like that idea, but it worked. It wasn't the smartest thing to do, I suspect.
 
And for whatever else it's worth: I have lost count of the large number of rounds I have fired in my 270 Winchester using resized 30-'06 brass. And that's like .046" short! Heck, I wouldn't have done it, but it's virtually recommended in Speer's number nine reloading manual. So, I have been doing it for years, even decades now. There is no practical difference. It might make a real difference in 1,000 yard matches, but still wouldn't show in a hunting rifle that has no business in that game anyway. Lose no sleep over it.
 
I don't think that it has been mentioned, but your OAL cartridge length should still be observed. Don't push your bullets deeper into the case in order to for example, keep a cannelure in place.

Shifting your bullet back a few hundredths of an inch into the case will not matter much, but the fact remains that your OAL should be based on the length of base to bullet.

Even that is up for interpretation. Some bullets are longer for weight, some rifles have slightly different lengths to the rifling leads. It's just best to remain true to specifications when possible.
 
Wendy,

You are incorrect about the SAAMI standard for the 260 Remington cartridge. It calls for a case length of 2.035" with a tolerance of -0.020". This will produce a case length range of 2.015"–2.035". So at 2.020", your Lee trimmer is trimming them to +0.005" over the SAAMI standard minimum, and –0.015" under the SAAMI standard maximum. So you are not outside of SAAMI standard dimension range at all.

Normally, the ideal "trim-to" length is taken at the half way point between the SAAMI standard minimum and maximum and you see that midpoint number published in load manuals; in this case 2.025". By aiming for the midpoint, you allow the trimmer to produce up to ±0.010" variation without taking the case out of spec. However, the Lee trimming method is much more consistent than that, so Lee goes ahead and gets closer to the minimum, giving you more room for the case to grow before you have to trim it again. In other words, it's set there to save you from trimming more often than necessary.

In point of fact, even the SAAMI numbers are not absolute and can be replaced by those that match a specific chamber size more closely. They are designed so the case mouth won't reach the end of the chamber, and yet the neck still has enough grip on short bullet bearing surfaces without having to push the short bullet in so far that its jump to the lands is larger than intended by the designer. But if your bullets are not short boattails or you are not seating bullets out where very little neck grip is left on them, then that minimum neck length is not a governing number, but only an advisory number. Indeed, for M1A match rifles, when they were still king at the National Matches for service rifle, a lot of competitors used to trim cases an extra 0.010" to 0.020" below the SAAMI standard minimum for the 168 grain match bullets (plenty of bearing surface). The did this because they knew the gun would stretch the brass 0.005" to 0.010" at each firing and also the brass would have to be retired in just four or five reloadings because of pressure ring thinning. By trimming new cases that short, they never had to trim the brass again before it had to be scrapped. So it saved them time. Service rifle matches are a type of position shooting, not benchrest, so they never saw any significant effect on accuracy from the small bullet grip inconsistency caused by having that range of neck length variations.
 
Wendyj My Lee trimmer has been trimming my 260 brass at 2.020. Saami calls for 2.035 to 2.025.
I trimmed a bunch today and they trimmed at 2.010 to 2.015. On average I'm 0.015 off from Saami specs. Should I toss this brass and get a new trimmer. This one is only a month old. Not sure what happened.

The instructions for the RCBS 'X' die recommends trimming the case .020" to start with. By the time the case requires trimming again it is time to start on new cases. Some owners believe the 'X' die stops case length growth.

I built a rifle with wildcat type chamber. After forming and firing the case shortened .045", the neck of the chamber is .217" by the book, I did not follow instructions because I believe in bullet hold, I want all the bullet hold I can get. Long story short I added .040" to the length of the chamber neck. Problem, Remington is the only manufacturers of long cases for wildcat chamber, expensive: $37.00 for 20 cases. Instead of starting with 30/06 cases I used 280 Remington cases, the Remington 280 case is .051" longer than the 30/06 case from the end of the neck to the case head. I want my cases to cover the chamber.

Short necks? The 300 Win mag has a case neck that is about .270" long. If the Winchester 300 Win Mag. neck is short, my wildcat was too short.

F. Guffey
 
I used the Lee trimmer you describe and it did the same thing . It will continue to size your cases shorter and shorter . Mine got to the point I started making custom shims to extend the rod . I believe the metal of that rod is soft and as it spins on the case locking bracket/thing it wares down .

I got tiered of trying to fix the problem and just bought the Lyman case trimmer . http://www.midwayusa.com/product/79...rimmer-kit-with-9-pilots?cm_vc=ProductFinding

I love this thing . It sizes the cases to a +/- of .0005 every time . I don't know how to explain it but the way each case locks in is fantastic . No need for shell holders or anything else . All cases just pop in and lock down regardless of caliber . It's quick and easy and I later bought the drill adapter to be even faster when trimming bulk lots .

I think it's time for you to step up to the next level of trimmers . If not the Lyman , something else . You will not regret it .

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How well does it work ?????? Well I trimmed these 223 & 308 cases down using it so I could get a better look at the flash holes .

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