brass framers putting words in my mouth ?

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CaptainCrossman

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I see a few people over-reacted and put words in my mouth with replies, in the "smokeless powder in the ROA" thread- which was now closed

go back, read my first reply in that thread

I said

"but in all honesty, 5 grains of Bullseye shotgun powder in a cartridge in an ROA is not going to hurt anything."

I stand by that recommendation, it's a common standard "cowboy action" reload data for 45 Colt cartridge using a Kurst or R&D conversion cylinder

my intention was NOT using the powder loose in the C/B cylinder
 
IM with you cap, i too have loaded smoklless in case's
for 45 tightgroup nitro 100 clays shotgun etc. I think
there was a misunderstanding, i did not think that you
would leed folks into beleving it was safe to use smokeless
in a bp cylinder.:confused:
 
Yes, BUT,

It is a BP forum. We tend to shoot Colt Opentops and Rems.

Though you DO say "IN A ROA", and "IN A CARTRIDGE", it can be interpreted, and you know SOMEBODY is going to say "Hey! Old Army, New Army, the NEW Army must be better. I can do that!"

When you posted your original 5 grs Bullseye in .38 cal with 148 gr ball, I was skeptical. I load red Dot in my .44 Mags. 9 grs behind a 200 gr ball. That is for a Smith 6 1/2 inch 29 and a 10 inch Ruger Super B. That load kicks like hell.

You recommend 5 grs to start of Bullseye. My chart says 10.1 and MAX 11 grs for .44 MAG. So, I think you have gone too far in telling people what YOU think SHOULD be safe.

YOU say "In a ROA", people don't see that, they load, they blow up, they sue SOMEBODY, or their family does.

YOU are the first to preach to us about what potential BOMBS we are shooting. Scrap steel. Brass.

Your 5 grs Bullseye is about 1/2 the MAX that Lee specs for a REAL .44 Mag.

I'd allow this thread to die. You are wrong when you tell people they can safely shoot smokeless in a BP pistol. NOT that it could not BE did. But 8 of 10 or more probably would blow something up.

Good grief, some of our shooters don't even know how to use a BP measure. Fill the hole and cram a ball in.

Cheers,

George
 
I think this should end this,
For a bp steel frame revolver,bp in the bp cylinder
and the conversion cylinder bp or smokeless ( cowboy load )
end of story.;)
 
Cap'n,

Maybe you should have specified "cartridge".

You've taken a pretty round trouncing here of late; some of it justified and some not. Far be it from me to dispense advice to an expert, but I've found that every now and then it behooves one to absorb information rather than dispense it.

Somehow, i think you'll read this without "absorbing" it, but I'm a hopin' otherwise.

Buck Private Beeman, signing off. :)
 
It is a BP forum. We tend to shoot Colt Opentops and Rems.
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Baloney! A ROA is a black powder revolver and that is primarily what I shoot. If someone wants to determine that a ROA is something else other than a Ruger Old Army well tuff beans. Stupid is what stupid does.

Sheesh, don't crucify the guy just 'cause you don't agree with his viewpoint on brass framed revolvers. If he said he didn't have a problem shooting cowboy loads using smokeless powder cartridges in a ROA then what's the issue?

Some of y'all really do sincerely believe that plastic bags should be marked with "this bag is not a toy do not put it over your head". Or, "this coffee is really hot...do not dump it in your lap". Sheesh.
 
Yeah, I see now that most of the fuss in my ROA thread had to do with the Cap'n stating something unclearly and the lawyer's kinfolk over reacting.

And regarding the two comments I've seen now that this is a BP forum well no, it's NOT just a BP forum, it's also a Cowboy Action forum and SMOKELESS is the preferred seasoning for that picnic.

At any rate, the Cap'n does make it interesting no? :D

Safely, non-litigiously yours,
Oly
 
At one time this forum was interesting. Gentlemen discussed a sport they enjoyed, traded ideas, discussed opinions.

Lately it's been trash talking. How radical can one get, not with one's ideas, but with the language used to put one down. Much less reading and thinking and more spewing.

That's not interesting.
 
At one time this forum was interesting. Gentlemen discussed a sport they enjoyed, traded ideas, discussed opinions.

Lately it's been trash talking. How radical can one get, not with one's ideas, but with the language used to put one down. Much less reading and thinking and more spewing.

That's not interesting.
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Good comment mykeal. I know I'm guilty of some of that, and I apologize to anyone I may have offended.:)
 
Yea cmon guys lets be nice, we all love our
smokers ,does not matter if they are brass
steel or whatever we are alltogether in our
sport, some of you guys might rember i said
it would be cool if we all meet and have one
big weekend shoot out, now that would be
cool, and im am sure no one would care if
your smoker was brass or steel.:rolleyes::D
 
I fail to see why anyone would've thought the original post concerned cartridges???

To the original question, there are just too many unknown variables. Yes, there are blackpowder equivalent for some cartridge guns but they have been developed on pressure equipment for guns of a known strength limitation. Nobody knows how much pressure a given amount of Bullseye or Trail Boss will generate in a percussion cylinder. Not to mention the fact that the pressure curve also plays a role, not just the pressure level. No one knows how much pressure the Old Army will take. The "it's a Ruger so it's strong" argument will get you into trouble. As does "modern steels", without knowing the properties of the specific alloy in question. Do we know how smokeless powder will react to being ignited by a percussion cap? Or the nipple? Just too many unknown variables and an unnecessary risk.
 
Craig: Yeah absolutely, I see that now and the points provided make very good sense. Thanks!

Long Rider: You said it bro! I'd love to get together with y'all for a great weekend of shootin' & shuckin' but of course that's not likely given the geography involved. Good sentiment however and I agree.

Cheers,
Oly
 
"At one time this forum was interesting. Gentlemen discussed a sport they enjoyed, traded ideas, discussed opinions.

Lately it's been trash talking. How radical can one get, not with one's ideas, but with the language used to put one down. Much less reading and thinking and more spewing."

Clem,

Shoot all the "cowboy loads" you want. How about you give us the loading data? You got a ROA. Shoot anything that the pipple you deal with tell you is good to go.

Don't tell pipple with RNA's and Colts that WE use THIS much smokeless in OUR .44 conversions.

Your ROA is all BUT a Ruger Super B. I have no prob with Rugers. I have a couple. Just not BP, although if I WANTED to cram as much as I could into that case, and get SMOKE, I could.

Cheers,

George
 
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