Bradys with pants in a "bunch" over D.C. Decision

FirstFreedom

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I'm on their email list, to monitor the enemy. Got this today:


Dear Daniel,

Last week, a Federal Appeals Court overturned Washington D.C.’s long-standing restrictions on handguns — a decision that endangers all of America’s gun laws.

This case is most likely headed to the U.S. Supreme Court and we have a tidal wave of work to do before it gets there.

This battle — to its very core — is the most important battle we have ever waged. We need your help today to build a strong Brady Gun Law Defense Fund to save America’s gun laws.

This fight is so critical to the safety and sanity of our nation that an anonymous donor has extended his challenge and will match dollar for dollar all gifts to this Brady Gun Law Defense Fund. Your gift will be fully tax deductible.

The threat to all our gun laws is truly unprecedented. The hypocrisy of the ruling is astounding.

What is at stake for you and your community? An emboldened gun lobby will use the ruling to challenge strong local, state and federal gun laws.

We must prepare for an onslaught of lawsuits in which gun laws will be challenged under this new reading of the Second Amendment — a strategy the gun lobby rarely used because of past legal decisions … until now. And, if the U.S. Supreme Court reverses itself and adopts the “individual right to bear arms” view approved by the Federal Appeals Court, all good gun laws everywhere could be at risk …

... from the long-standing machine gun ban … to the 1968 Gun Control Act … to the Brady Background Check Law.

… to your local and state laws … like the ones in California and New Jersey banning Assault Weapons … and many more.

These and many other life-saving laws promoting public safety are at risk. And we need to be ready for an immediate onslaught of challenges and fight them tooth and nail. We need your help today with a tax-deductible gift!

Why is this ruling so radical? Because the decision defies almost 70 years of legal precedent. All courts before this — save one — have ruled that the Second Amendment is not an individual right to bear arms, and this is the first Federal Appeals Court ever to declare a gun law unconstitutional based on the Second Amendment.

In her dissent, Judge Karen LeCraft Henderson wrote that Second Amendment rights relate to “Those militia whose continued vitality is required to safeguard the individual state.” Unlike Judge Henderson, the two judge majority ruled against decades of legal precedent…

… And completely disregarded the democratically-expressed will of the people of the District of Columbia, depriving D.C. citizens of a strict handgun law enacted thirty years ago.

Talk about judicial activism! We can’t help but note the unbelievable hypocrisy here too. Conservatives cry and gnash their teeth about activism from the bench. This decision is judicial activism at its worst.

Judge Silberman, who wrote the majority opinion, is well-known for his close ties to the right-wing. Now — with quintessential judicial activism from the bench — the gun lobby threatens to achieve through the courts what it has been unable to do in Congress.

This is going to be a long, hard fight, but with your help we will save our nation’s gun laws. We will keep you up-to-date as we confront this extraordinary threat to our efforts to reduce gun violence. But right now, we need your support to build our Brady Gun Law Defense Fund. Remember that right now your gift to this fund will be doubled! Please act now.

Sincerely,

Sarah Brady, Chair

P.S. Your gift will be worth double when you give to our Brady Gun Law Defense Fund. Please give a tax-deductible gift today.





You can also mail a check to:
Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence
1225 Eye Street NW, Suite 1100
Washington, DC 20005

Kinda weird that a decision that allows defenseless residents in a crime-ridden city to defend themselves, is somehow a "threat" and "is so critical to the safety and sanity of our nation". I do believe that pack of lies may contain more mistruths per paragraph than anything I've read before.
 
It is interesting that the donor of the matching funds is anonymous. Is he afraid to let the people know his stand on guns, or is he a "strawman" camouflaging illegal contributions, or misappropriations.
It is also interesting that the conservatives are charged with using the civil courts to attain their ends. Appears that the gun grabbers thought they had proprietary rights to that tactic.
 
As for individual rights, aren't all of the rights recognized by the constitution individual rights? Isn't "the people" made up of individuals? Are there any rights that are corporate rights?
 
Yeah, I think I got this same email (or similar).

You know what I found interesting? The fact that they used the term judicial activism, and it fits about as well as it does any other time I've heard it used.

Darn activist judges, protecting our rights.
 
B o l o g n a.....

How does it endanger current gun laws. It affirmed that ownership is an individual right. You can't ban a person qualified under law from buying a firearm by law. I did not see a part where it struck down registration or background checks or other laws.
 
Mrs. Brady,

This may come as a shock to you, but there are millions of firearms owners who also believe that the Parker case in Washington D.C. is "critical to the safety and sanity of our nation."

The difference, you see, is that the firearm owners are often students of history and history teaches us that "To disarm the people (is) the best and most effectual way to enslave them." (George Mason Elliot, Debates at 425-426).

The militia is not the federally-supported National Guard, nor could it be. The founders distrusted a peace-time standing army as the sword of the tyrant. Gun owners realize ... "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States..." (Noah Webster's An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, Philadelphia, 1787). And I'll remind you that Webster was not one to misuse the English language!

In your electronic missive, you supported Judge Henderson's opinion that D.C.'s prohibitions were permissible because D.C. is not a state, which means that her interpretation is the Bill of Rights applies only to states. If we extend this logic, then we should not guarantee the right against unreasonable searches, freedom of worship or of free speech or a right to a trial by jury to the citizens of American Samoa, the Northern Mariana Islands, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico or Guam. After all, these are mere possessions of the U.S. and thus if the 2nd Amendment does not apply due to their lack of statehood, neither can the rest. Personally, I'd like to see you explaining your support of this position to the residents of those territories.

I won't even mention the possibility that "a free state" could also refer to any sovereign entity, be it a state, province or a nation. Or even a combination of them.

You also express outrage that the Appellate court "completely disregarded the democratically-expressed will of the people of the District of Columbia". I will remind you that the will of the people is not absolute. We are a nation of laws under a constitution, not a mobocracy. It was the will of the people that made slavery legal and supported segregation. It was the will of the people, through local governments, that supported Jim Crow laws, zoning laws to keep blacks out of white areas and sometimes preventing Jews, Asians and Irish from holding certain jobs. All of these laws have been rightfully ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. I hope you do not lament these changes?

Mrs. Brady, your claim of judicial activism is hypocrisy of the worst form. The Brady Campaign, et al, has long supported the use of the courts to force what it could not do by legislation. You've coerced city mayors to squander millions of taxpayer dollars on frivolous lawsuits against gun manufacturers when that money could have been used for citizens, not lawyers. These suits, in essence, are like trying to hold Ford and GM responsible for irresponsible drivers or Sears-Craftsman for criminals using their tools. Those tax dollars might have bought textbooks for children so they might grow up as productive adults instead of semi-literate criminals.

You berate Judge Silberman for relying on historical texts, judicial history and the work of constitutional scholars instead of finding a post-modern interpretation of the law. Perhaps Judge Silberman saw, like many of us, that there is not one single word in all of the constitutional debates, or in the personal letters, journals and diaries of the founders to support the "collective rights" theory. If this is judicial activism, I'd like to see more of it, not less.
 
It is interesting that the donor of the matching funds is anonymous. Is he afraid to let the people know his stand on guns, or is he a "strawman" camouflaging illegal contributions, or misappropriations.
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Sounds like a "George Soros" move. He's a very rich, and very dangerous, man.
 
As for individual rights, aren't all of the rights recognized by the constitution individual rights? Isn't "the people" made up of individuals? Are there any rights that are corporate rights?

Rights can only ever be individual. There's no such thing as "states' rights." States don't have rights, they have powers.
 
I got the same email...Yuck...it really disgusted me to read it. I can't believe that people actually believe and feel that way.

:barf:
 
Bill,

A very well-reasoned response. My compliments!

And, how do you respond to the assertion that the circumstances surrounding the passage of the 2nd Amendment are outdated? That the 2nd Amendment was passed in a time before organized police forces in America? Now that we have the police, should we, the peasants, simply not allow the police to take care of us? Do we, as individuals, still need the right to arm ourselves, or does legal gun ownership do more harm than good?

The above is a MAJOR argument of the collective-rights theorists. (And, we all have a pretty good idea of the flaws in the logic.) If you can incorporate a paragraph that addresses this issue into your response, I think it would be an IDEAL statement to return to the Brady camp.
 
Samurai,

I addressed the memo sent out by the Brady bunch and didn't attempt a rebuttal of every argument they have tried to use.

Re: The 2nd is obsolete because we now have professional police forces, etc.

Bovine excrement.
1. A State where only the government and its agents have arms makes abuse of authority and enslavement of The People that much easier. It's usually called a police state. Any time you have power unchecked, it will, in time, grow abusive or oppressive.

2. Each citizen of the republic has a duty to the republic. All government power is a grant from The People to those who serve as our proxies in making and enforcing laws and regulating the affairs of our republic. It is each citizen's duty to help maintain the public order and security. In many cases, with today's technology, that may only require a phone call. However, when urgent and exigent circumstances dictate, citizens must assume the mantle of authority to prevent acts dangerous to the republic or to its citizens. This may be chasing off a mugger, arresting a rapist at gunpoint or it could involve gathering fellow citizens to suppress a riot, insurrection or fight an invasion. We hire the police as our proxies to perform these tasks routinely, but every citizen has the duty to enforce the laws of the republic and to stop those who endanger others.

3. It may be argued that The People armed merely with small arms cannot compete against a tyrannical government armed with B2 stealth bombers, cruise missles, tanks and hundreds of thousands of armed troops -- much less the formidible nuclear arsenal.

But this belies the truth of the situation. If a rebellion is sufficiently widespread for the government to deploy massive men and equipment (even if they could get 100% cooperation from the troops) the nuclear option is a non-starter. The focus of a rebellion is to replace the government and this defines the leaders of the tyranny as either targets or as parties to negotiate terms. On the opposite side, with whom does the President or a tyrannical Congress negotiate? They can neither negotiate with thousands of militia units nor use a nuclear option to target them, for to do so would leave them leading not a country, but a pile of rubble. Besides, would a threat to incinerate Dallas sufficiently sway someone from Portland or Trenton, NJ?

Arms in the hands of The People, even small arms, have the ability to help tie up large numbers of troops and equipment for a small expenditure in men and ammunition. Resistance requires troops to move more cautiously and consume more resources. And the mere presence of resistance in support of our original Constitution and principles will cause other citizens to question or challenge a tyrannical government.

It's late and that's the best I can do before falling asleep at the keyboard.
 
Armed Citizens cannot resisit a Army?

Tell that to the Afghans
Tell that to our troops in Iraq
Tell that to the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto
Tell that to the Patriots who founded this country
 
Re: The 2nd is obsolete because we now have professional police forces

That used their power to influence voting in McMinn County in 1946. The people got so pissed off that they staged a rebellion with their legally-owned guns.

Remember the Battle of Athens.
 
FirstFreedom:

I believe the correct or classical phrasing is as follows: Knockers In A Knot. Either way, it could not have happened to more deserving folks. Let's hope that the D.C. Appeals Court ruling stands and that if USSC agrees to hear arguments, they they rule in favor of individual rights, not a certain proposition.
 
I must be to the Right of Atilla the Hun

Sarah Brady, her anti gun ilk including certain US Senators whining the same old anti gun message are right along side all the enemies of the US holding hands with Bin Laden.

If you can't see the danger to American Freedom posed by these people, take a better look or take up miniature golf..........
 
Sarah Brady, her anti gun ilk including certain US Senators whining the same old anti gun message are right along side all the enemies of the US holding hands with Bin Laden

o GIVE ME A BREAK:barf:

WildthatsasbasasthecraptheyspoutAlaska
 
GIVE ME A BREAK

Wildthatsasba[d]asthecraptheyspoutAlaska

Wild,

I respectfully disagree.

The Brady bunch wants a society in which firearms are subject to draconian laws (court order to get a gun, severely limited ammo, expensive process, etc.) knowing full well that certain elements of society would then be forced to choose between living in fear or seriously changing the way they prefer to live -- such as the elderly and disabled folks. Further, the anti-gun folks know full well that prohibiting the use of arms for self-defense will result in greater numbers of serious injuries and potentially as many deaths.

My personal opinion is that the leadership of anti-gun groups know this and are callous against the suffering and fear their actions will cause.

I have no respect for people like these who would, by choice, leave an 84 year old great-grandmother defenseless and living in fear.
 
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