Brady bill cuts suicides???!!!

Andrewh

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Okay this just pisses me off. First they say the Brady bill has such a huge loop hole, but not to discount it because less elderly can commit sucide. Please who at 55 would just be buying their first gun?
And isn't it possible since it is now the baby boomer generation in that range, there living condition is better and they don't want to kill themselves anymore?
And if the waiting period was over in 1998, why hasn't it gone up again already.

Brady Act Cuts Elderly Suicide Rate
Has little effect on homicide rate, though

By Edward Edelson
HealthSCOUT Reporter

TUESDAY, Aug. 1 (HealthSCOUT) -- The Brady Act, intended to control gun sales, has not
reduced the homicide rate in the United States because of a loophole that makes it possible to
buy guns without background checks or a waiting period, researchers say.

But the act has affected the death rate in a surprising way: It has reduced the firearm suicide
rate among older people, says a study reported in the Aug. 2 Journal of the American Medical
Association.

"I think it would be a big mistake to conclude from this study that the Brady Act is ineffective.
Given that older people in the United States have one of the highest suicide rates in the world,
the act has saved lives by reducing the number of suicides," says study co-author Jens Ludwig,
assistant professor of public health at Georgetown University.

The Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act is named for James Brady, the presidential press
assistant who was wounded in the assassination attempt of Ronald Reagan in 1981. The act
went into effect in 1994, requiring background checks and a waiting period for anyone buying a
gun from federally licensed gun dealers.

Ludwig and Philip J. Cook of Duke University analyzed data from the National Center for Health
Statistics on homicide and suicide rates from 1985 through 1997. They compared the numbers
from the 18 states that already met the Brady Law's requirements with those from 32 other
states where the new controls went into effect.

"Our analyses provide no evidence that implementation of the Brady Act was associated with a
reduction in homicide rates," the researchers write.

The loophole is that the law's provisions cover only federally licensed gun dealers, says Ludwig.

Sales continue in unregulated market

"From 30 to 40 percent of gun sales are not done by those dealers. The rest are done at gun
shows and other places, in a secondary gun market that is almost completely unregulated by
current laws," he says.

"The lesson I take away is the importance of extending the Brady Act regulations to secondary
gun sales," Ludwig says.

The effect of tighter gun controls on suicide rates was confined to people aged 55 and over,
the researchers found. The firearm suicide rate was lowered by 1 per 100,000 people in that
age group, the study found. The Brady Act apparently made it more difficult for older people
contemplating suicide to buy guns, though some found a way around that difficulty, the
researchers say.

"We find some signs of an offsetting increase in nongun suicides in those aged 55 and older,
which makes the reduction in the total suicide rate smaller than the reduction in gun suicides,"
say the researchers.

The effect of the law on gun suicides could change, because the requirement for a waiting
period expired at the end of 1998, the authors say. "The shift away from waiting periods could
increase the firearm suicide rate (and potentially the overall suicide rate) among older U.S.
citizens," they say.

Ludwig says, "Most people don't realize that more people die each year from gun suicides than
gun homicides."

The study "carries an important message for both sides of the debate" on gun control, says
Richard Rosenfeld, professor of criminology at the University of Missouri-St. Louis and author of
an accompanying editorial.

Those in favor of more controls have focused almost entirely on the primary market -- licensed
gun dealers -- while those against "are equally obsessed with the secondary market,"
purchases from other sources, he says.

"What this article is suggesting is a relationship between the primary and secondary markets
that both forces have not appreciated," and that requires more research to asses, Rosenfeld
says.

"It looks like it is the waiting period that suppresses suicide. A lot of states have phased out
the waiting period, but this is new evidence that a cooling-off period would work" to reduce
suicides, Rosenfeld says.

What To Do

The national suicide rate has dropped in recent years to about 11 per 100,000 people.
However, the rate among the elderly has gone up steadily in recent years. For those 55 and
older, it is about double the normal rate, according to government statistics. And for the oldest
old -- people 85 and older, beset by illness, depression and loss of companionship -- the rate
skyrockets to 65 per 100,000 people.

The U.S. Surgeon General's office issued a call to action last year about suicide, and this Web
page includes more on the problem of suicide among the elderly. Also, the National Institute of
Mental Health has some facts about the problem.

For more on the Brady Law? go to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.
 
Oh c'mon! I think if someone wants to commit suicide they will find another way to do it should a firearm not be available. I highly doubt the Brady Law had anything to do with any decrease in suicides. :rolleyes:

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The Brady Bill absolutely does reduce suicides! After reading that stupid BS, people realize that they are not as stupid and morally bankrupt as the clintonistas. This gives them a renewed sense of hope.
 
I've seen studies (can't recall the source, unfortunately) where restricting access to guns did, in fact, reduce suicide by gun. However, the overall suicide rate didn't change, indicating that if someone wants to off themselves, they'll find a way. FWIW, M2
 
Please give me the link to that article because whoever wrote it must be an AVOWED anti-gunner. He is having to twist the work of anti-gun authors to make his point.

Specifically - the study found a decrease of 0.92 per 100k in gun suicides among those 55 and over. This minor decrease was offset by an increase in non-gun suicides. The net-effect was "weapon substitution" meaning that those who were unable to use guns to commit suicide simply used another means.

The actual words from the study (along with a link) are:

"“Although our study detected no reduction in homicide rates in treatment states compared with control states, we found that suicide rates for persons aged 55 years or older were reduced in the treatment states. The estimated association between the Brady Act treatment and gun suicide rates among persons aged 55 years and older is equal to -0.92 per 100,000 (95% CI, -1.43 to -0.42), or about 6% of the gun suicide rate among this age group in the control states after the Brady Act had become law.

However, we did not detect an association of the Brady Act with overall suicide rates. We find some signs of an offsetting increase in nongun suicides to those aged 55 years or older, which makes the reduction in the total suicide rate smaller than the reduction in gun suicides. Neither the increase in nongun suicides nor the decrease in suicides from all causes are statistically significant at the conventional 95% level, though the overall pattern of findings is consistent with theories of "weapon substitution."39

(source: http://jama.ama-assn.org/issues/v284n5/full/joc91749.html - Cook and Ludwig)"
 
Here is the other one. http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/breakingnews/2000/08/02/gunrates0802_01.html


New Study Stokes Gun Control
Debate
Criticized by JAMA; Lauded by NRA

Aug. 2, 2000

CHICAGO (AP) -- A new study finds that
murder and suicide rates did not drop any
faster in states that had to toughen their laws
to comply with the 1994 Brady Act to regulate
handguns.

The study also reports, however, that fewer
people 55 and older used guns to kill
themselves after the act took effect.

The findings provoked strong words on both sides of the gun-control
debate; they were also questioned in an editorial that accompanied the
study in today's Journal of the American Medical Association. The AMA
supported the Brady Act.

NRA claims

The National Rifle Association claimed the
research supports the notion that gun
regulations like the Brady Act have no effect
on crime. Advocates of stricter gun laws said
the study is not an appropriate measure of
the success or failure of the Brady Act.

The findings follow research presented last
week by the Center to Prevent Handgun
Violence, which estimates that 9,368 lives
were saved between 1994 and 1998 because
guns were less available to criminals.

The head of the center, Sarah Brady, is
married to James Brady, for whom the act is
named. Brady was the press secretary
wounded and paralyzed in the 1981
assassination attempt on President Reagan.

Brady Act requirements

As implemented in 1994, the Brady Act required licensed dealers to
perform background checks and observe a five-day waiting period before
selling handguns. In 1998, instant background checks replaced the waiting
period requirement.

Eighteen states already met the Brady requirements in 1994.

The lead authors of the study, Georgetown University policy analyst Jens
Ludwig and Philip Cook of Duke University, examined national statistics
from 1985 through 1997 to compare the Brady law's impact on crime in the
32 states that had to toughen their laws.

The authors noted that homicide and suicide rates had already begun to
decline nationwide before 1994, but they assumed those rates would fall
faster in "treatment states" -- those that had to adopt new laws to comply.

Drop in gun suicides

Instead, they found no overall difference -- except that gun suicides
dropped 6 percent among people aged 55 and older in the treatment
states, Ludwig said.

Reductions in suicides also were seen in other age groups but the
numbers were not statistically significant, Ludwig said. Suicides are
comparatively common in older adults, so it's not surprising that the
biggest impact would be found in that age group, he said.

National Rifle Association spokeswoman Kelly Whitley said the study
"proves what the NRA has been saying all along. Legislation like the Brady
Act ... has no impact on the criminal misuse of firearms."

Crime guns

But Ludwig acknowledged that the research was not designed to analyze
the Brady Act's indirect impact on what is known as the secondary gun
market -- gun sales by unlicensed dealers -- which experts say is the
source of a significant number of weapons used in crimes.

The findings show "the importance of extending regulations like the Brady
Act to secondary market sales," Ludwig said.

The editorial in JAMA, written by a crime expert not involved with the new
study, questioned the meaning of the research and called the Brady Act
"the most important national policy initiative related to firearms in over two
decades."

The editorial's author, Richard Rosenfeld, of the department of criminology
and criminal justice at the University of Missouri in St. Louis, said the
study was limited by a lack of evidence of the Brady Act's impact on
firearm trafficking from state to state and by its failure to examine the
secondary gun market.

He said the examination of the law's impact on suicide was a strong point
of the research.

"Knowledge of how primary market regulations affect the secondary
firearms market is the single most important next step in research on how
the Brady Act and similar strategies affect levels of criminal violence in the
United States," Rosenfeld wrote.
 
The Brady bill cuts suicides. It cuts the homicide rate. It cuts rusty nails as fast as you can say "Bob Villa." It slices. It dices. It removes ugly warts, and the heartbreak of psoriasis. It's a floorwax and a dessert topping. And, in a pinch, it's the best substitute for Charmin.

My God, if we could only have 20,000 other laws just like it!

Dick
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Come on guys the Brady Bill has done wonders for the suicide rate in Japan.

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And who is to say that there are less people that want to commit suicide anyway?

Also you can kill yourself with MANY other things than a gun. Maybe all these "less" gun suicides is because more people called Jack K.?

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