bolt-action for self-defense?
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Bolt-actions
It just seems to me that bolt action would be inherently slower because you have to use the same hand both to operate the bolt and the trigger...a lag factor that could be significant in a self-defense situation
Savage (I assume by association also Stevens/Springfield/Fox) made a lovely bolt-action SG, far prettier than any Mossberg...I still see them now and then on Auction Arms.com and Gunbroker.com
It just seems to me that bolt action would be inherently slower because you have to use the same hand both to operate the bolt and the trigger...a lag factor that could be significant in a self-defense situation
Savage (I assume by association also Stevens/Springfield/Fox) made a lovely bolt-action SG, far prettier than any Mossberg...I still see them now and then on Auction Arms.com and Gunbroker.com
The big 9 point rack over the fireplace was taken with a Mossberg bolt gun. One of my earlier ventures into gun mods, this had the bbl cut to 18" and some trigger work.It handled like a carbine.
In my long lost youth, I got to shoot a number of milsurp rifles, including 03s, P 17s, a couple of Mausers, and a fine handling Jungle Carbine. I got pretty good at cycling those fast, using the heel of my hand and palm to do the work,with the weapon kept ready and mounted.
I could work that Mossie about as fast as most of the rifles. I couldn't cycle it as fast as I could pump.
I like B/A shotguns. They tend to be sturdy, reliable, and good knockabouts. For HD or other WIHTF crises, I'd rather have a pump.
The first rule of gunfighting is, "Have a gun". If a boltgun's all that's available, use it.
In my long lost youth, I got to shoot a number of milsurp rifles, including 03s, P 17s, a couple of Mausers, and a fine handling Jungle Carbine. I got pretty good at cycling those fast, using the heel of my hand and palm to do the work,with the weapon kept ready and mounted.
I could work that Mossie about as fast as most of the rifles. I couldn't cycle it as fast as I could pump.
I like B/A shotguns. They tend to be sturdy, reliable, and good knockabouts. For HD or other WIHTF crises, I'd rather have a pump.
The first rule of gunfighting is, "Have a gun". If a boltgun's all that's available, use it.
Practice practice practice
But I'd still be real concerned about doing it fast when under "high-adrenalin" situations... Pump is more "intuitive" to me...Autoloader even better , if reliable, then you only have to work the trigger (and I suspect, if I need it, I'll be in "spray and pray mode" whether I like it or not!)
But I'd still be real concerned about doing it fast when under "high-adrenalin" situations... Pump is more "intuitive" to me...Autoloader even better , if reliable, then you only have to work the trigger (and I suspect, if I need it, I'll be in "spray and pray mode" whether I like it or not!)
One could make good use of a bolt - God knows I use it as my mainstay rifles ..., but, even that said, worse case, I'd use a pump (a 760), & especially for a shotgun.
Main answer is that "you can get about as fast as with a pump" .... I cut my teeth with a pump & cannot yet shoot anything as fast, or as quickly accurate (they are different).
Assuming triggers are the same, give me a pump.
Main answer is that "you can get about as fast as with a pump" .... I cut my teeth with a pump & cannot yet shoot anything as fast, or as quickly accurate (they are different).
Assuming triggers are the same, give me a pump.
" ... the pump is IT. Nothing faster exept the autoloader."
& I'd argue that (regards the autoloader).
Maybe in the hands of a tricked out SA, some may be faster, but I've yet to see it. (I don't get around much.
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Anything I've yet seen shows that a pump can be operated faster than a semi-auto.
Semis are relegated to their cycling speed where a pump can be worked as fast as a human can.
In any event, you still have to bring the firearm out of recoil to have the next decent, aimed shot. If any action can cycle another round into battery before that happens, what difference?
Still, all comes down to who's using it & how much they've praticed with that they've got.
& too, how many times you think you'll have to shoot someone with a shotgun in a home defense scenario? Once really ought to do it ....
edited to change my first statement to:
Anything I've yet seen shows that a pump can be operated faster than a semi-auto.
Pumps are faster for those who know how to use 'em. I have seen some pretty darned fast semis (muzzle-breaked, etc.) though ....
& I'd argue that (regards the autoloader).
Maybe in the hands of a tricked out SA, some may be faster, but I've yet to see it. (I don't get around much.
)Anything I've yet seen shows that a pump can be operated faster than a semi-auto.
Semis are relegated to their cycling speed where a pump can be worked as fast as a human can.
In any event, you still have to bring the firearm out of recoil to have the next decent, aimed shot. If any action can cycle another round into battery before that happens, what difference?
Still, all comes down to who's using it & how much they've praticed with that they've got.
& too, how many times you think you'll have to shoot someone with a shotgun in a home defense scenario?
Once really ought to do it ....edited to change my first statement to:
Anything I've yet seen shows that a pump can be operated faster than a semi-auto.
Pumps are faster for those who know how to use 'em. I have seen some pretty darned fast semis (muzzle-breaked, etc.) though ....
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If you like a shotgun with a box mag try a Valtro Pm-5 
The pump is capable and has demonstrated higher cyclic rates of fire than any auto made yet. The Benelli M1 is the fastest of the autos on the market right now, but it is still short of a pump.
There is NO comparison in speed between a pump and a bolt, in either sheer speed or aimed fire. The auto will hold the edge for 99% of people in aimed speed. Personally unless a bolt was all I had I would use a pump for defense.
There is NO comparison in speed between a pump and a bolt, in either sheer speed or aimed fire. The auto will hold the edge for 99% of people in aimed speed. Personally unless a bolt was all I had I would use a pump for defense.
Marlin 512 Good for Hunting
In a self defense situation I would much rather have a good pump shotgun.
In the hunting woods I like my Marlin 512 bolt action. With a 4x scope and sabot slugs the 512's rifled barrel is very accurate. It has done well at keeping my freezer stocked with the fixings for venison stew and chili.
In a self defense situation I would much rather have a good pump shotgun.
In the hunting woods I like my Marlin 512 bolt action. With a 4x scope and sabot slugs the 512's rifled barrel is very accurate. It has done well at keeping my freezer stocked with the fixings for venison stew and chili.
Sorry labgrade, . . . not all autos are quite equal.
My Beretta holds 7 rounds, 2 3/4 inch, 12 ga. I can have at least 5 and if I hit it just right, . . all 7 empties in the air at the same time from a hip stance.
Like a Kodak camera, . . . just point and shoot.
May God bless,
Dwight
My Beretta holds 7 rounds, 2 3/4 inch, 12 ga. I can have at least 5 and if I hit it just right, . . all 7 empties in the air at the same time from a hip stance.
Like a Kodak camera, . . . just point and shoot.
May God bless,
Dwight