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Rich Lucibella

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I know these threads are getting tedious, but I think David Boies let out the whole strategy in a sit down with Wolf Blitzer last night.

In that interview he said something the the following effect:
I would hope that the Supreme Court of The United States would not rule against us. I hope the won't do that. If the Supreme Court rules that a Judge may not modify a Legislative order in any way, I think it would have far reaching consequences for the pending appeal in Seminole County.
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Translation: If SCOTUS states the FLSC overstepped it's bounds, we'll use that with the FLSC to overturn Nikki Clark's decision to let the Seminole absentee ballots remain.

Now, I've stated that Al will not concede even after SCOTUS rules against him.....again. He still stands a chance of stealing a few Electors in a Clintonista manner. With the level of rhetoric where it is, and the number of red herrings as high as they are, the "outrage" would be acceptably controlled. What I didn't realize is that he's more than willing to use the FLSC to keep a constant stream of suits circling the court system even after Dubya is in the Oval Office.

Look at the benefits to the Dems:
- The President is "illegitimate"
- The Republican Congress is corrupt and partisan
- SCOTUS has lost all "credibility"
- The Florida Legislature is a pawn for Jeb Bush

Results: Chaos, disinterest and gridlock. Meat and potatoes to the Liberals when they are not in power.
Rich
 
Thanks for the analysis, Rich.

Talking heads in the media were saying that both sides have said they will abide by the SCOTUS decision. But then, they declared for Bush and Gore made a concession call, too, if I remember correctly.
 
Yep, that goes to the very heart of what I've been saying all along about Gore and his people.

They're all for all of the votes being counted, but ONLY if they are votes for the Democrats.

If the SCOTUS rules against Gore, I've absolutely no doubt that the thin veneer of "don't disenfranchise anyone" will tumble away.
 
NOBODY knows how to sue quite like Democrats. This mess will be in the courts longer than Bush is in office. The only "up side": algore will NEVER attain national office again.
 
Rich,

I think it gets even more interesting than that. Up here in Boston, we have Libertarian/Linertine talk show host Jay Sevren on the airwaves... bashing liberals in general and 'Al Whore' (as he calls him) in specific. To make a long story short, this guy was a career politician for the past 20yrs and has inside connections (professional relationships) to people in both camps. His sources inside the Gore Camp inform him that 'Project Elector Conversion' is going ahead full bore. The Gore team will attempt to blackmail Bush electors to vote for Gore by digging up dirt on them and threatening to go public with it. The dirt is real, apparently, so this could work. This is being done without Gore's knowledge or permission, of course. :rolleyes: What will happen is this: SCOTUS rules for Bush, Gore gives his sad and humble concession speech with heavy emphasis on the popular vote and 'will of the People'. The day the votes are counted, and the envelope is opened-- Gore is the winner. His speech is something like this, 'Gee, what a surprise! I know I conceded to my worthy opponent, George Busch, but who am I to thwart the will of the people??' This scenario makes me sick, to think that the presidency of this country can be won by outright extortion and blackmail, but this is entirely plausible. By the time the truth is well known, it will be too late the damage is done. And don't expect the mainstream press to break the story, they haven't point out one single hypocrosy yet. After the past 8 yrs of corruption, many many otherwise intelligent but uninformed Americans think Clinton is still one of the greatest presidents yet (I had some fool tell me that 2 days ago), I think anything goes. Some idiots even wish Clinton could stay in power. :rolleyes:
 
Gore's already won

We just haven't realized it yet.

Even if he doesn't become Prez, he's brought the legitimacy of a Bush Presidency into question. And don't think that the media is going to let you forget it. He knows he'll never hold office again, he's got nothing to lose so what-the-heck.

Socialist, super-statists like Gore have taken up "the cause" as a religion. They are zealots and even martyrs for "the cause." There's no bottom for these people, they'll sink lower and lower without a thought because the end result is, in thier opinion, worth the sacrafice. This includes destroying and perverting the Constitution, rule of law and anything else that stands in the way of the super-state.

Its an all out war and Conservatives/Libertarians/Constitutionalists don't even realize it, we still think we're having "friendly differences."
 
That possible set of events is exactly why I have included several themes from times past in my signature line!!!;)
 
Worm,

If that is attempted, and someone from the Gore camp truly tries to get someone to change their vote as an elector to Gore from Bush, the fallout would be immediate and immense.

On its face, that is a violation of dozens of state and federal laws on a variety of levels. It's a Civil Rights violation, it's an Elections violation, and it's a criminal violation.

There's no way in hell that the Gore camp itself would ever be that stupid to be connected to something like that.

That's not to say that it wouldn't be tried, but the pall that it could cast over a Gore presidency would be immediate and immense.

You can better bet that while it might not be investigated at a Federal level (you think Reno would do anything about it), it would be pursued with vigor at the state level in places like Texas.
 
Note, I never stated here that Gore will prevail...he won't. Just that I think the strategy calls for no concession speech...ever. This is a good thing...America's still watching! :)

Wormtown...you offer much food for thought. Plausible Gore-ista approach.

Mike-
I'll have to differ. Many States do not bind Electors to the Certified results. My understanding is that Florida is one of those. In a Larry King live interview a couple of weeks ago, Jimmy Carter stated that we'll never change the Electoral Process, but he hopes we'll pass laws binding the Electors to their State vote. Not a great President, Jimmy Carter, but a really good Man. I think he knew the insider scuttlebut even then.
Rich
 
I don't care what the media will say about him for the next 4 years. They can't make him pick the new Justices for the SCOTUS. And when he puts Constitution loving Justices in there they will go nuts but be able to do NOTHING. As gun owners we can take comfort in that knowledge alone.
 
Rich,

You're absolutely correct that most states don't bind electors to a certain outcome, but the process relies on the electors being able to FREELY, and without undue outside, illegal influence, cast their votes for the persons whom they choose.

But, to attempt to coerce someone into voting in a way that they normally would not is NOT a legal activity, it is illegal.

It would be exactly the same if one of us were to approach a Senator or Representative and say "I've got pictures of you having illicit relations with an animal. Unless you vote NO on the Schwakman-Fannywhacker Bill that would ban Pez dispensers in the US, I'll release those photos to the media."

It would also be the same were I to accompany you to the polls and step into the voting booth behind you and say "I have a gun, I'll shoot you if you don't vote for X candidate."

If you're convicted of something like that, I believe that it is up to 10 years in jail and fines up to $100,000 at the Federal level.

However, there is apparently an on-going process targeting Electors in states won by Bush, in which pro-Gore individuals are sending letters to the Electors asking them to bow to the popular vote and select Gore as the next president.

That is a perfectly legal activity, UNLESS there are threats, implied or implicit, involved.

The activities that Worm describes "The Gore team will attempt to blackmail Bush electors to vote for Gore by digging up dirt on them and threatening to go public with it" is, if it is actually true, HIGHLY illegal.
 
The answer is technology ... ?

I hope all the electors are wise in their use of technology to catch anyone who might attempt to threaten or extort a change in their vote. It may take brave men and women to counter such crap, but I hope they still exist.

If Gore's operatives try, I do hope someone catches them red-handed. And, it would be wonderful if they'd squeal on Weird Al.

I don't really expect this to happen, but, then again ... I didn't expect any of this to happen. My BS meter is going off so often that I think it is about shot. ;)

Regards from AZ
 
Mike-
Many of the Electors are elected politicians or hopefuls. There is at least one report on CNN of a TX Elector having been approached by a lobbyist for AFL-CIO. There's lots of ways to sway an Elector without outright blackmail.

Laws are broken all the time in Washington. If they're willing to trample the Bill of Rights, I doubt a few passages from the Federal Penal Code are gonna bother them. ;) Reference Vince Foster, Chinagate, Gore's fundraising efforts and other activities.
Rich
 
Rich,

Again, that is EXACTLY what I'm saying. Lobbying electors is NOT illegal.

Bribing them is illegal.

Threatening them is illegal.

Extorting them is illegal.

Please read again what Worm posted, and you'll see that the allegation of printed in his message is one that is well inside the illegal realm, in that the basis of the action is extortion and coercion.

Once again, EXTORTION of the type that Worm reported to be going on is illegal. That is NOT lobbying, it is a criminal act.

And please note that I did say that I don't think the Gore camp would be stupid enough to get involved in something like this.
 
Mike
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And please note that I did say that I don't think the Gore camp would be stupid enough to get involved in something like this.
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Please note that I did say they are just that stupid. ;)

The only thing that would stop 'em is a desertion by their own party....which is looking like a more probable outcome by the minute.
Rich
 
Rich & Mike, with the corruption we've had for the last 8 years,I can not see how a little hanky-panky with the electors would bother these fools one bit.It's not over yet.
 
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