Bluestar blood agent

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Longun

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Any body ever use this stuff ? Sounds like the cats meow

BlueStar® tracking reagent picks up blood droplets unseen by the naked eye and makes them glow bright blue in low light conditions, even in rain. Yeah, just like on CSI. Police and hunters in 76 countries use it because it works. It actually finds specs of hemoglobin. All you do is add any water (can come from a pond, lake, faucet, bottle) to the BlueStar® tablets, spray and look. The tablets are in packs of two 8-oz. mixes, in hermetically-sealed foil for long shelf life.


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BS. once you learn to track a living uninjured animal. tracking a wounded and bleeding one will be a walk in the park.
the biggest problem I have seen in the field is people shooting from such an extended distance that they, once on the flat ground, couldnt reaquire the exact spot the animal was standing when hit.
no magic dust is going to replace basic fieldcraft.
Personaly I like to know that I did the work. If you want to emerse yourself in technology to the point that you remove yourself and your skill, or lack thereof, from the equation then why hunt to begin with?
 
BS. once you learn to track a living uninjured animal. tracking a wounded and bleeding one will be a walk in the park.
the biggest problem I have seen in the field is people shooting from such an extended distance that they, once on the flat ground, couldnt reaquire the exact spot the animal was standing when hit.
no magic dust is going to replace basic fieldcraft.
Personaly I like to know that I did the work. If you want to emerse yourself in technology to the point that you remove yourself and your skill, or lack thereof, from the equation then why hunt to begin with?
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I agree that there is no substitute for knowledge and fieldcraft, but everyone who has hunted long enough will lose a deer. It makes me sick to do so, but it happens to everyone sooner or later. If it hasn't happened yet, keep hunting, it will. If this product can help eliminate that then why not use it? Again, it's no substitute, but it could be one more thing to add to your chances of recovering an animal.

Jason
 
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Lets see 38 white tail bucks. Over 60 white tail does 4 mule deer bucks. Guided 23 hunters to Mich. Black Bears. Have taken 3 myself my wife 1 & my son 1. I have stood toe to toe with a 200 + bore on a beaver dam with no where To go and backed him down with nothing but pear dominance. I set 300 traps a year resulting in the death Of 1133 animals last season. ( beaver , raccoon , muskrat , otter , coyote & bobcat ) We are subsistence People we raze or kill 80 % of are food. Where I hunt is a vary dense cedar swamp 90% of the hunters Don’t penetrate it over 100 yds. I can leave my spot walk ½ mile and still hunt 15 min. of legal shooting Time that’s how dense it is. People still go in and never come back out. I shoot a 45/70 300gr. Jhp And I still brake every animal down the longest shot is 30 yds. Or less. The reason for my op was for bear They jest do not bleed well like I said I brake um down. Other than point of impact & maybe 10 yds out They bleed after that it hands and knees in hip boot county 3 to 4 ins. of fat on those critters it will close a large wound.

Now Ringworm I don’t know who put the bur under your saddle put I am sure it was not me.
It is best to know your enemy before picking a fight it will ensure a victory
Any time you can get away for a couple weeks let me know and we will see who is the woodsmen.


Like your sig. says "Strange as it seems, no amount of learning can cure stupidity, and higher education positively fortifies it." Stephen Vizinczey


longun
 
I hope this does not sound like piling on, as you've already gotten some good advice, but knowing how to track is more valuable than any technology crutch.

That said there may be some small value to this sort of product when it's dark and the trail is sparse, or wet as it often is here in our NE FL. woods. In those instances I can see the occasional value of such in determining if very small spots are indeed blood. Other than that not much value to it.

Do a bunch of reading on tracking..................
 
Longun,
do you get paid when you lose an animal or are your tips the only thing thats affected?
I just need to know if you have a financial interest. If my livelyhood rests on finding a customers poorly shot animal i might be willing to pack in and use some BS product like this.
I get the feeling your affinity for it is rooted in economics.
Any time you can get away for a couple weeks let me know and we will see who is the woodsmen.
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thanks for the offer but shooting sows over stale do-nuts aint my gig.
more power to you for getting people to pay you for piling logs on top of bait for them, but ill pass.
thanks
 
Seen it used

No one seems to want to answer your question. Yes I have seen it demostrated. It will work but I don't think it is practical or anything that I would want to buy or use. Can you picture yourself trailing A deer for half A mile Spraying all the way. Most of the time A blood trail is not that hard to find. If you are not sure the direction the animal has taken it might be A little more difficult but I usually circle the area where I last saw the animal and usually you will pick up the trail. To be honest with you I have learned that if you choose good shots and concerate on proper shot placement you won't have blood trails very often.
 
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Ringworm this hunt only has a success rate of 25 to 30 % that’s using bait & hounds. With out the two
It would drop dramatically as it is they raid the bird feeders and garbage many times a year & that is with a ½ dozen beagles in the yard. I went to a bear Management meeting a couple of weeks ago out 30 people three were Indian kill no bears six were bee keepers losing thousands of dollars in one night & twelve were home owners with bear problems the rest where hunters. Economics you bet as with any job I take I do the vary best I can. This is the difference Between self reliance & well fair. Tips at 1500 to 2500 a hunt I don’t
Need or expect a tip. I do not advertise strictly word of mouth & I am booked for the next three years. Out of 28 bears 6 have been sows it is not legal to take a sow with cubs in Mich. Bear keep there young with them fore a year to a year & a half this is why not many are taken. In order to be a successful trapper it takes a good understanding of animal behavior. So when you get ready for a lesson in woodsmen ship
Jest let me know.


Longun
 
Gentlemen first off I did not ask for advise I asked if any one had used this product. I would agree there is no substitute for good woodsmen ship this would be jest another tool. Do we go back to stick & string ? Opps that was technology. As far as I know there are only four hits that will anchor on animal ( head , neck , spine & the sweet spot. Please under stand I do not have the option of shooting every animal myself. On too many occasions I have had to go in after dark to find a visibly shaken hunter. Several refused to get down from the tree stand until I fond the bear. I do not know for sure how well the animal was hit or which way it went. Nothing is more unnerving than having to get down on all fours and look for spec’s of blood The size of a pin head. Two years ago I had a hunter take a vary nice bear 437 lbs. dressed add 1/3 for Live weight. I grabbed my pack and two lanterns and went to the bait. He made a good shot both lungs this bear went maybe 100 yds it bleed vary nicely for 30 yds. Then it was like someone stuck a cork in it. I then Took out my gps. Set it to tracks and started my small circles we looked for three hours that night. We marked the last blood & back to camp we went. I went to the house and called a couple of young men I use ever year to get bear out of the woods + young eyes are always a good thing ( bi focals s**k ) The next morning we started in at day light picked up the blood trail and took it another 10 yds. Then I marked each spot of blood from point of impact to the last blood with t - paper we stood back and looked for any subtle Turns. He went strait away. So we started are circles I went 40 ft. in the next man 30 ft. & so on back to last blood. Circles were about 20 yds . In radius checking said area then moving ahead to where I started & repeating. This continued for several hours. We decided to give it up on the way back out one of the young fellows happen to see a leg sticking out of a blow down that took the roots with it. This bear had went past The blow down turn and backed its self in to a cubby to the point you could not see any thing put a paw. By the time we hung and skinned him & cooled the meat it had spoiled. In closing I can not help but wonder If I had a few extra tools this would have saved this beautiful animal for what it was meant to be table fair

Longun
 
Thank you sureshots

sureshots Thank you for your reply I am not talking replacing good tracking with this product but using it when the blood trial go’s cold I have never used it jest thought some of the members here mite have

Thanks again

Longun
 
the problem is when someone who purports themself to be a hunter endorses gimics.
young hunters who may be new to the sport see it as something they think they must have so they dont learnt ANY woodscraft. they depend on the technology.
i was lucky to be taught land navigation by the USMC.
how many "hunters" today cant read a map? plot a grid? estimate distances?
so this is one more thing we dont need to prop up guys who think they are hunters when all they really are doing is pulling the trigger.

but as a man who makes his living based upon doing all the ground work for those same "hunters" I can see that you have a vested interest in them being ignorant.
were they to know the same things you know they wouldnt need you, right?
 
ringworm

If you had come out with this in the first place we would not be where we are at today.
You are vary correct & you will not ever see me endorse anything but my own skill.
With that said I find that most hunters are vary eager to learn but in today’s dog eat dog world their jest is not time. Here in Mich. Most of the population 2/3 is in the southern half of The state a two to three hour drive to ware I am. ( no bear down their ) I see a lot of do it your selfers each year They come up on the weekends throw out a bunch of bait leave. On one of the baits I am running right now they are eating 200 lbs a night. Times this by two months Seven different bears coming. The do it your self guy can not keep up. Another thing I see in the past few years hunters taking information off hunting blogs. One or two bear kills dos not make a expert & I am far from one. I have one hunter I can count on every four to six years as the draw system allows he is scared of the bear & scared of the big woods he won’t go in tell after day light & is out well before dark. He shells 2500 $ for the chance to get away & the camaraderie of camp I don’t think he would kill one if it walked into camp. I am always willing to share my knowledge with any one who asks & when someone says good luck I look them square in the eye & say if I have done my home work its only 20 % luck the other 80 % is skill as indicated by my
Success rate in a hunt of 25 to 30 %.

So ringworm it sound like you do your homework & have learned good woodsmenship
So go fill the freezer this fall

longun
 
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