Black tip Military Ammo - anything special?
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Mosin-Marauder
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Armor piercing.
Regards,
-Mo.
Regards,
-Mo.
tahunua001
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armor piercing, they get stuck in 3/4 inch mild steel plate. average out to be 169 grains but there's quite a bit of variance from bullet to bullet. it was made at the lake city ammo plant in 1954.
it's still pretty corrosive so clean after shooting, it rusted out one of my springfields pretty good because I didn't know any better.
it's still pretty corrosive so clean after shooting, it rusted out one of my springfields pretty good because I didn't know any better.
i have thousands of rounds of .30 caliber AP ammo made in 1952-54. The AP stuff is more accurate than .30 caliber ball. IME: Some lots of AP ammo is more accurate than .30 caliber Match.
Your LC 54 AP ammo is non corrosive.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrB...edux.pdf/RK=0/RS=AFTU9MgwQYolZhSb9ofZC2NUEdQ-
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrB...USGI.pdf/RK=0/RS=lI6UOuCzKvAa2cMLdIc549RZh7U-
Your LC 54 AP ammo is non corrosive.
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrB...edux.pdf/RK=0/RS=AFTU9MgwQYolZhSb9ofZC2NUEdQ-
http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrB...USGI.pdf/RK=0/RS=lI6UOuCzKvAa2cMLdIc549RZh7U-
bamaranger
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not all
Not alll .30 AP was corrosive......we had a good post a short while back on the topic . Search for same had a lot of good po[nts
Not alll .30 AP was corrosive......we had a good post a short while back on the topic . Search for same had a lot of good po[nts
U.S made "black tip" is AP. Other countries used a different color coding system, just something to be aware of when finding some that may be in a US caliber, but not US made!
United Kingdom & Commonwealth Countries before 1955
including Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand and South Africa
United Kingdom & Commonwealth Countries before 1955
including Australia, Canada, India, New Zealand and South Africa
Code:
Bullet Type Color of Tip Color of Annulus
Amour Piercing Green Green
Ball None Purple
Incendiary Blue Blue
Observing Black Black
Proof None Yellow
Tracer Short Range White Red
Tracer Dark Ignition Grey Red
Tracer Long Range Red Red
Belgium
Bullet Type Colour of Tip Colour of Annulus
Incendiary Lt Blue None
Tracer Red None
Finland
Bullet Type Colour of Tip Colour of Annulus
Amour Piercing Lt Blue None
Italy
Bullet Type Colour of Tip Colour of Annulus
Amour Piercing None Green
Amour Piercing Incendiary(Phosphorus) Blue None
Amour Piercing Incendiary (Thermite) Green None
Observation Black None
Tracer Red None
Letter codes other than Manufacture’s Codes on .303 Headstamp
AA Pomeroy explosive Incendiary Mk 2 Bullet (circa 1917)
B Incendiary Bullet
C Cordite Propellant charge(pre 1912)
D Drill Round
E Smoke Bomb Projector
F Semi Amour Piercing
FG Semi Amour Piercing Tracer
G Tracer bullet
H Grenade Discharger
J Illuminating
K Brock explosive incendiary bullet (circa 1918)
L Blank
O Observation Bullet
P Practice Round
PG Practice Tracer
Q Proof Round
R Explosive Bullet
SPG Tracer made before 1927
U Dummy Round
W Amour piercing bullet
WG Amour Piercing Tracer
Z Nitrocellulose Propellant ChargeGeorge4376
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LC 54 Armor Piercing
LC 54 Armour Piercing ammo dated 54 was non corrosive.Ibelieve the change over date was April 52.
LC 54 Armour Piercing ammo dated 54 was non corrosive.Ibelieve the change over date was April 52.
tahunua001
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nope, full report/recoil. steel I used was off an old piece of farm equipment at 85 yards. bullet tip was just poking through the other side. I wouldn't ruin a perfectly good piece of AR plate by shooting it with black tip.
"...165.5 gr bullets to 2715 FPS..." 168 to 2800 fps. Not that it matters.
Most ranges won't let you shoot AP anyway. Even though the USMC used .30 AP for match shooting just after W.W. II, too many idiots have damaged range equipment over the years that most ranges don't allow it.
Most ranges won't let you shoot AP anyway. Even though the USMC used .30 AP for match shooting just after W.W. II, too many idiots have damaged range equipment over the years that most ranges don't allow it.
I can tell you for a fact that if you shoot it from a Garand at a heavily cratered 3" thick steel plate at 100 yards to see what it will do, the tungsten core can come back, enter your wrist, travel down your arm, and stop in your elbow.
Felt like a sledge hammer hit me in the arm. I thought that the gun had blown up.
Couple of inches higher and to the right it would have been in my eye, could have been very interesting to see if the safety glasses could stop it!
Felt like a sledge hammer hit me in the arm. I thought that the gun had blown up.
Couple of inches higher and to the right it would have been in my eye, could have been very interesting to see if the safety glasses could stop it!
tahunua001
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I'd say if it traveled up the arm, the glasses wouldn't have done much to stop the bullet.
30 AP
Several years ago I was deer hunting in mountains of Virgina. On private property next to George Washington National Forrest. I was using a Rem 742.
I had extra clip with 30APs, in case I had chance for turkey. I was coming back
in, when I saw a huge black fox squirrel coming down an oak. I slipped in APs
and shot squirrel at 40yds. I went over and gutted squirrel, stuck my knife in
tree while wipping my hands. When retrieving my knife I noticed bullet sticking
out of bark. A couple wiggles and I pulled it out. Ap had almost made it through
12" of live red oak! I still have that bullet in my desk drawer, except for rifling
I believe you could load it up again. It did wipe black paint off tip.
Several years ago I was deer hunting in mountains of Virgina. On private property next to George Washington National Forrest. I was using a Rem 742.
I had extra clip with 30APs, in case I had chance for turkey. I was coming back
in, when I saw a huge black fox squirrel coming down an oak. I slipped in APs
and shot squirrel at 40yds. I went over and gutted squirrel, stuck my knife in
tree while wipping my hands. When retrieving my knife I noticed bullet sticking
out of bark. A couple wiggles and I pulled it out. Ap had almost made it through
12" of live red oak! I still have that bullet in my desk drawer, except for rifling
I believe you could load it up again. It did wipe black paint off tip.
kawasakifreak77
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Lol, shooting tree rats with AP.. How good of body armor are the squirrels using these days?
I cobed onto several EW '43 M2APs. Took a box out with my 1903 Springfield & couldn't hardly get a group better than my AK. With handloads I can shoot between 1 & 1.5 MOA with the rifle so I'm pretty dissapointed.
& 45_auto. Your story literally made me flinch. Glad to hear you survived!
I cobed onto several EW '43 M2APs. Took a box out with my 1903 Springfield & couldn't hardly get a group better than my AK. With handloads I can shoot between 1 & 1.5 MOA with the rifle so I'm pretty dissapointed.
& 45_auto. Your story literally made me flinch. Glad to hear you survived!
^^^ From a 30-06 ^^^
If so that's pretty cool for me . I found 200 pulled bullets at the gun show awhile back I loaded them in my 308 cases . Best group with no preasure signs gave me an average of 2592fps from a 24' barrel and shot a .8 moa 3 shot group . I normally shoot 5 shots but did not want to waist the extra bullets . I had been thinking the fact I was using a 308 rather then 30-06 I was likely getting a very low velocity . A little over 100fps slower then the 30-06 , I'm pretty happy with that
FWIW my bullets came out to an average of 165.5gr I'll post the load data if anybody would like to know .
Bucksnort1
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Watch out, hussein and the batfe will be coming for your armor piercing 30-06 ammo.