Black Powder Granulations

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Swiss is changing it's granulations, not sizes, but how it actually looks. And this will soon be in the US. The change is to the rounded look. At first glance you would think that this is just bird shot. This is more uniform in consistency. Just thought that I would give you a preview....

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Yes it is still black powder, They haven't changed the formula just the way that it looks. With this new granulation, you will find it easier and more accurate to measure.
 
Sure, that's what they say.
The regular granulation often needs load redevelopment every time you get a new lot number. I bet the new Black Ball stuff will for sure.
I have a pretty good supply of 1 1/2 and will not likely find out how much it matters til next year.
 
Has Swiss done any testing to see if there are ballistic changes with the new formulation?

A lot of people have invested a lot of time in developing a good load for their firearm. Will they have to re-develop an accurate load?

Steve
 
They must have a new press to get little pellets of black goodness.
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Nope. They changed to rabbits...

Wouldn't this new powder burn more efficient? And measure out better
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Don't know what 'measure out better' really means, but round is better from the standpoint of making oxygen available. Round is the least 'efficient' shape for packing as each ball can contact another ball in only one point, but that also means each ball is 'surrounded' by more air, so yes, I would think it should burn more efficiently.
 
This is called the "Caviar Granulation" and will be available in the states this summer. And it hasn't changed really anything about the effectiveness or how it burns. Swiss set us a sample to look at and test, the only thing that we see is that it measures easier per load. But when this comes in, check some out for yourselves and let us know what you think. Right now, we believe that this will be available in the most popular granulation sizes, 1Fg, 1.5Fg, and the 3Fg. It will be interesting to hear what others think about this.
 
Round is the least 'efficient' shape for packing as each ball can contact another ball in only one point, but that also means each ball is 'surrounded' by more air, so yes, I would think it should burn more efficiently.
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I bet you compress it with regular force and those pellets will get all mushed together, just like real black powder. Besides, BP don't need air. Don't see an advantage except it might meter better through a powder measure on a press. Might be good for CAS folks that reload a lot, but won't do much for me.
 
If it meters beter/more consistently, then it will also be a plus to people who shoot competitively as in the N-SSA and MLAIC.

Steve
 
noelf2 said:
I bet you compress it with regular force and those pellets will get all mushed together, just like real black powder. Besides, BP don't need air.
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Might crush and it might not - we don't know at this point. You can't 'crush' regular black powder - you can bust up some of the granules, but to actually crush it to a finer powder - enough to reduce volume - takes either a grinding motion or much more force than you can generate with a loading lever. These pellets are probably just as hard, if not harder, than regular black powder in that respect.

As far as needing air, you are correct that black powder produces it's own oxygen for combustion, but additional oxygen will help the reaction progress.
 
You can't 'crush' regular black powder - you can bust up some of the granules, but to actually crush it to a finer powder - enough to reduce volume - takes either a grinding motion or much more force than you can generate with a loading lever.
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Not to be contrary, but I have compressed BP so hard that it seemed to be one contiguous mass, almost like a Pyrodex or 777 pellet. Only way I could get it back out of the case was to scrape it out. If there were air gaps between granules, it was not detectable by the naked eye. I couldn't make out granules at all.

As far as needing air, you are correct that black powder produces it's own oxygen for combustion, but additional oxygen will help the reaction progress.
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If that is so, then BP would burn quicker in a pile than it would confined in a case or chamber. Don't believe that's the case.
 
I am no expert in these kinds of things.

I would not think that packing the powder would have much impact by the amount of exposed air. As was pointed out, BP has its own oxidizer.

What I think might be affected, however, is flame propagation through the charge, which might affect how rapidly all the granules catch on fire.

Maybe explosives behave differently as a solid mass though, I don't know.

Steve
 
Black powder is erroneously considered an explosive. It's not. It's a propellent. If you pressed it hard enough to be a solid mass, which I think I have or pretty nearly have :eek:, it is still little separate bits of charcoal, saltpetre, and sulfur, burning from top to bottom, bottom to top, side to side, inside to out, dependent on where you started the burn. Getting the burn reaction started is easier with granules compared to a solid mass. Granules have more surface area exposed. Larger granules have more air space between them, but the burn reaction is a bit slower. Smaller grains are the opposite, and burn rate is quicker. I believe it has more to do with exposed surface area than air. That's why I question the air helps a bit theory. I would bet that there would be little difference, if any, in the burn rate of a particular BP granulation in a vacuum versus our atmosphere.
 
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