black bear defense

bacardisteve

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One of the spots i intend to start coyote hunting is also full of black bear. Now i know black bears are said to be the least aggressive blah blah blah but i dont care. The only handguns i own are all chamberd in 45acp. I have seen buffalo bores hardcast load in this chamber and thats prob what im gonna go with but just wanted some opinions on other loads or if u think i should go buy a bigbore revolver. What say you?
 
.45 acp is too light for brown bear, but I'd guess it would suffice for black bear. Definitely go with hard cast, heavy bullets.

If you're really worried, and you have a pump shotgun, load it with slugs and take that.

If you want to buy a revolver, I'd go with .44 Magnum. No need to get a Casull or a S&W .500 if it's just blackbear.
 
I will be bringing a shotgun along but it will be loaded with 4 buck for those close in yotes. Maybe I could load it with 00 buck for yotes and have it pull double duty for bear defense
 
Take that 45 and load it with hardball. I've hunted in Virginia my entire life and have yet to hear of anyone ever needing to defend themselves from a black bear. The thought of bear defense never crosses my mind when I hunt. I'm pretty sure your chances of getting in a car accident on the way to hunting are greater than having to defend against a bear. They're about as dangerous as overgrown raccoons.
 
Carry Spray

I think your .45 with heavy hard cast slugs is plenty in the Firearms department. I suggest carrying spray also. Bear Spray has been shown to be more effective than firearms for warding off attacks by some studies.

http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/files/USFWS_Bear_Spray_vs._Bullets.pdf

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/story/2008/03/26/bearspray.html

"If your only tool is a hammer, every problem appearers to be a nail"

As shooting sports and gun enthusiast we may opt for the "What do I shoot it with?" option when that may not be the best course of action.

I'm pretty sure your chances of getting in a car accident on the way to hunting are greater than having to defend against a bear.
+1 It's good to keep things in perspective.

Of course its better to have and not need than the other way around.
 
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In the year or so I have been a member here the question of:
"What gun do I need for bear defense?" has been addressed 6,842 times.
 
Past experience in the WA Cascades...

your best defense is be AWARE of the area, and execute strategic withdrawls.

Carried both a 4" .357Mag & .45ACP.

The .357 used the Federal 180gr HARD cast lead and the .45 loaded with old supply of Hornady 230gr FMJ-FP (flat point).

Talked with Sierra Tech's and it was recommended to use the heaviest bullet at the maximum velocity that you are comfortable shooting and be ACCURATE.

Never tried the bear spray as I already had the above.
 
Make noise. Black Bears run away from people. Just don't get between them and the cubs, but if you're making noise that'll never happen either.
 
I have used only .357mag for hunting bear. And never had a problem. A .45 would be sufficiant.
But then again it's all about shot placement - shot placement - shot placement.
 
""What gun do I need for bear defense?" has been addressed 6,842 times. "

Still there are always folks who need to know.

Local neighbor (near Coldwater), a pretty savvy woodsman too, was killed by a black bear a couple summers back, rare but it happens. He tried to get up a tree but the bear climbed up and got him.

For black bear my choice would be a S&W 22-4 45 ACP revolver, loaded hot...and like Graysmoke says...yah gotta shoot straight.
 
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Bear Defense

Throw a jar of honey at the bear, and make a slow retreat. You won't have to explain to the game warden why you shot the bear.
 
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Rifleman1776
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In the year or so I have been a member here the question of:
"What gun do I need for bear defense?" has been addressed 6,842 times.

I guess that makes it the most popular topic at TFL. Not surprising, just about anyone that goes out in the woods in the US will ask that same question at some point in time. Some of us make a hobby about bear defense threads. Just call me guilty, guilty, guilty.
 
Black bears can be as large as grizzlies with the record black bear nearly 900 pounds in the wild. Many areas harvest black bears over 500 pounds each year. Certainly, the average black bears are going to be in the 200-300 pound range, but in my opinion, you should prepare not only for the average, but the outside range bears as well.

In that case, the weapon you consider adequate for a grizzly should be the consideration for a black bear as well since their size can overlap. For myself, that is a .44 magnum which many consider too small, but it does have the power and penetration with proper shot placement to do the job.

Secondly, the most likely bear attack will be a predatory male black bear according to the most recent research. Yes, most black bears will run when they encounter people, but once again, you are not preparing bear defense against a bear that will run away, you are asking that question for the bears that DON'T run away. A sling shot is enough for a bear that will run away anyway.

Bear spray does not work as well with black bears as it does with grizzly according to the bear researchers. Black bears have a tendency to come back after being sprayed once, twice, three times or more waiting for their opportunity if they are in a predatory mode. In that case, yes, the bear spray might buy you time, but since you can't climb a tree against a black bear to get away, you either have to be close enough to shelter or a car to escape or take care of the situation yourself. In that case, an adequate caliber gun is your best option.

Lastly, if you are hunting coyotes, consider a varmint gun that will do in a black bear as well. That would likely be .270 or .308 level rifles at a minimum. Little bit big for a coyote, but since the issue is hunting coyotes in bear country, a rifle is going to get you more power than almost all handguns. Consider your primary weapon your rifle with a good back up gun and don't forget not to hunt alone. Having another person to save your hide in the event that all of your other preparations fail is the most prudent way to go about the issue.
 
Alaska444 said:
Ahhhhh, life is good, another bear thread on TFL. Gotta love it. Sorry, it is my favorite topic.

X2 hypothetical bear threads are fun.

It's an Alaskan tradition, probably dating back to old dusty sourdoughs sitting around the campfire and telling bear stories in the pioneer days.

hhb said:
Throw a jar of honey at the bear, and make a slow retreat. You won't have to explain to the game warden why you shot the bear.

Yes, but the bear will have to explain to the game warden why he ate you.

When it's a choice between getting eaten, or maybe paying a fine, that shouldn't even factor into your reasoning.
 
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