Bird Dog Training

PAHOGHUNTER

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About 30 years ago a bird dog trainer gave me a VCR tape which played gun fire the purpose was to play it at low volume at feeding time and over a period of time increase the volume, it was used to prevent a dog from being gun shy. It seemed to work really well. Over the years I lost it, does anyone have anything like that available? One of the sites I looked at has something available for $45.00, I think thats a little high. If I can't find anything I guess I could always try and attend a trap shoot with a tape recorder? Do they still make tape recorders?
 
I always took the pup to the range with me and left him/her in the truck at a distance, then walk them towards the firing line while distracting them with a bumper they're keen about. I've never had a gun shy retriever.

I trained my girlfriend's lab to retrieve in her living room, then the back yard and worked on 'come' off lead. She was never exposed to a gun until I took her along to the blind. She didn't even react to the first shot. I teased her with the down bird and she was game on after that. I shot over her the rest of the day and she completed every retrieve. I credit her breeding and not much of anything I did. Not talking steady or marking doubles, or ready for a field trial, but in one trip she was on par with many of the average dogs I've seen, and I'm talking about a 5 year old dog that's never been afield or worked with.

For some reason, fireworks can be a very different matter for the same dogs. I have no idea why, perhaps because of the piccolos (or whatever they're called) that whistle. For that reason, without explanation, I would avoid them.

Or, you can take him/her out and shoot popper loads. Leave them somewhere safe like their kennel in the truck and start at a distance. Then, work your way closer. Take some breaks to play with them so the whole experience feels like a good one, and stay tuned as to how they feel about this.

Honestly, most all gun dogs with decent, modern breeding will never have a problem with gun shyness; it just doesn't seem to be in them. One gentle introduction should be all you need for a happy hunter. It's never been an issue with any of my labs or chessies, or with any of the spaniels, shorthairs, or Gordon setters, or even beagles of friends. I was 'captain of the guns' in a retriever club and shot over many, many first timers. Any initial apprehension was almost always lost to the glee of splashing through the water after a wing.

And I can't speak to a tape as a substitute. Minus the percussion and sharpness of real shooting, it doesn't seem like it would be worthwhile.

Now, dogs not the right breed or not bred right are another story. For even these little particulars, genetics are huge. Some of the show versions of these breeds are drop dead worthless and gun shyness won't be their only problem. I have a border collie that would flat our race home on the sound of a shot from anywhere in the neighborhood, without ever having a bad experience. But he's sensitive to all noise and would probably make a great dog for the hearing impaired. Half way through the first ring of the phone, he's on his feet and straight to it, without any training for that. If only I could train him to answer it and quit trying to herd cats. ;) Because I shoot often, I even prepared him properly. But at the sound of any crack - goodbye. The day before yesterday was the first time he decided he could tolerate some of it, and chose to hang out with me, albeit 20 feet back. It's taken two and a half years for him to get to this point. Great farm dog - lousy shootin' pal. If guns moved he would herd them. But if a calf went 'POW!' the calf would win. Same nurture – different outcome. That’s genetics.

Sorry for the length and good luck with your pup!
 
I read in a book that you could just make lots of niose at feeding time. The author suggested banging pots and pans together or beat on a metal trash can. If the pups are not shy to that noise, they probably won't be gunshy but you still need to shoot around them as they get older.
 
Taking a young dog on a "walk" that starts a far piece from the local gun range or skeet/trap club and SLOWLY heads towards the gunfire is how I work a dog either to prevent or reduce gun shy tendency.
If the dog hesitates or balks in any way just stop and have a puppy master bonding break with pets and calm positive speech. After a few minutes walk in a little bit more. Keep up the reassuring talk and maintain a confident stance posture and gait. Just keep in mind the dog is looking to you for security as well as food. You can't "Good dog" the bugger enuff on these trips. A slim jim cut into VERY THIN little treats works wonders if food treats is what you already use.
Brent
 
Not to change the subject re: the tape, but I haven't seen one like you describe.

There are a number of ways you can train a dog. Take your dog to a local trap/skeet range. Park well back, at first with the windows up. Expose him to the noise a little at a time.

I've also used a method where I teach him to retrieve and then toss the dummy down a hill, wait for him to get out there quite a ways, and fire a .20 gage pointed away. Expose him to more noise, little by little.

I can tell you how not to do it. A friend (not a hunter) had a dog he called Dummy. We were fishing one time, and I asked him if Dummy was gun shy, and he said he didn't know. So he calls Dummy over and makes him sit while he's on one knee holding his collar. He then draws his .38 spec., points it in the air and fires. Well, Dummy was gun shy. My friend had his attributes, but training dogs wasn't one of them.
 
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